Ahl-e-Bait......who and why?

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Alright A1shah…here are your questions that i asked you once before, but will do so again. However, do note that if you indulge in any sort of hateful remarks or comments, I will ask the mod to close this thread. That wont accomplish much, but its just to note that I do not wish to be a part of any hate-hate campaign. Hatred is better suited to kuffaar and hypocrites, and whoever indulges in it using Islam as a tool, is one of them.

Regarding the Ahle Bait, you listed the names of the 14, as I asked, once before. Here are my questions regarding them.

a. What is the criterion for the inclusion of these pious people in the Ahle Bait?

b. If the criterion is their relationship to Prophet SAW, then why are several other people excluded, who had similar relationships to the Prophet SAW? Kindly answer, referring to my following points.

Hazrat Fatima RA is a member because she was Prophets SAW daughter. OK…But Hazrat Fatima RA had 3 elder (real) sisters as well, whom Prophet SAW loved just as much…Hazrat Zainab RA, Hazrat Ruqaiyyah RA and Hazrat Umme Kulsoom RA. Why arent they included?

Hazrat Ali RA is a member because, as someone mentioned in another thread, he was a blood relative to Prophet SAW, since he was Prophets SAW first cousin. OK…But why are other cousins of the Prophet SAW excluded from the list? ala Hazrat Abbas RA, who too was Prophets SAW first cousin.

And to go on further, why not his son, Ibn-e-Abbas RA too?

And why not Hazrat Hamza RA, who was Prophet SAW real uncle?

Next question.
Why did the lineage of Ahle bait stop where it did? Why didnt it go on further? Was it because the last member did not have any kids? Or was it because of some other reason?

And did any of these Ahle Bait have any daughters? If so, why arent they included in the list? Is it because sons are responsible for carrying on the family name? If so, then why is Hazrat Bibi Fatima RA on the list, since she too was a daughter?

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Originally posted by Eastern Analog:
Regarding the Ahle Bait, you listed the names of the 14, as I asked, once before. Here are my questions regarding them.

a. What is the criterion for the inclusion of these pious people in the Ahle Bait?
salaams,
Brother...its simple....its not really got much to do with being relatives....it got to do with who the Prophet(saw) appointed in his life time....and we have enough hadiths(sunnis and shias) and reliable MAJOR events ..to come to the conclusion who these purified Ahlulbait are and since Allah(sbt) has purified them we choose to follow them rather than elected Kaliphs.......i can give u ref. about these events from u're books if u require.....

Have u heard of the event of Mubahila.....or
the event of ghadir...or even the event for which the purifying verse came down??

Unfortunately i don't have the Ahadith with me but later on i will provide them 4 u.....

b. If the criterion is their relationship to Prophet SAW, then why are several other people excluded, who had similar relationships to the Prophet SAW? Kindly answer, referring to my following points.

Hazrat Fatima RA is a member because she was Prophets SAW daughter. OK.....But Hazrat Fatima RA had 3 elder (real) sisters as well, whom Prophet SAW loved just as much...Hazrat Zainab RA, Hazrat Ruqaiyyah RA and Hazrat Umme Kulsoom RA. Why arent they included?

Hazrat Ali RA is a member because, as someone mentioned in another thread, he was a blood relative to Prophet SAW, since he was Prophets SAW first cousin. OK......But why are other cousins of the Prophet SAW excluded from the list? ala Hazrat Abbas RA, who too was Prophets SAW first cousin.

And to go on further, why not his son, Ibn-e-Abbas RA too?

And why not Hazrat Hamza RA, who was Prophet SAW real uncle?

As i said B4..if the Prophet(saw) didn't appoint them then why should we go claimng they R? If the Prophet had said through his whole lifetime that the Ahlul bait r people other than his close relatives....we would be following them....not his relatives!

Next question.
Why did the lineage of Ahle bait stop where it did? Why didnt it go on further? Was it because the last member did not have any kids? Or was it because of some other reason?

The lineage of purified stopped at the 12th Imam(as) who has gone into ghaibat Kubra (greater occultation) and will come Inshallah with the coming of Hazrat Isa(as) to kill Dajjal and spread peace and justice every where.....the real Islam.

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hope this clarifies atleast something for u....i'll be back with some hadith
wasalaam

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Eastern;

Shias do not follow the 14 personalities out of their own will. It has been commanded by Allah (swt) to follow them. As such, and I agree with you, that being a relation of the holy apostle (pbuh) in itself is not a reason to be included in the list of masumeens. This is supported by a hadith in the sunni books which goes as such:

The Messenger of Allah said: "Any relation will end on the day of Judgment except my relation. And the root (identification) of every one is his father, except the progeny of Fatimah, since I am their father and their root (identification)."
Sunni references:

Ibn al-Jawzi, al-Bayhaqi, and al-Darqunti, al-Dhahabi on the authorities of Umar Ibn al-Khattab, Ibn Abbas, Ibn Zubair, and Ibn Umar.
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p239
Similar tradition has been narrated by Abu Ya'la, al-Tabarani on the authority of Fatimah (AS) and Ibn Umar

The above precious tradition proves that, blood relationship is of little value in Islam and it will soon melt away when the day of Judgment appears. But what makes the relationship of the Prophet and his Ahlul-Bayt different than others is the qualifications and spiritual purity that they have besides their pure gene (which is also necessary).

As for the 12 imams, in the sahih sittahs, you will find several instances where our holy prophet (pbuh) has instructed us to follow them. Below, pls find some references:

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "The Islamic religion will continue until the Hour (day of resurrection), having twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraish

Sunni references:

  • Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Imaara, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v3, p1453, Tradition #10

  • Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraish and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraish), v3, p1010, Tradition #4483

Also :-

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 9.329

Narrated Jabir Ibn Samura:

I heard the Prophet saying, "There will be twelve commanders (Amir)." He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, the Prophet added, "All of them will be from Quraish

In Musnad Ahmad, the tradition is as follows:

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "There shall be twelve Caliphs

for this community, all of them from Quraish."

Reference: Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v5, p106

In Sahih Muslim, the traditions are as follows:

Narrated Jabir Ibn Samura:

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "The matter (life) will not end, until it is passed by twelve Caliphs." He then whispered a sentence. I asked my father what the Prophet said. He said, the Prophet added: "All of them will be from Quraish

Sunni references:

  • Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Imaara, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v3, p1452, Tradition #5

  • Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraish and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraish), v3, p1009, Tradition #4477

Also Eastern, it is worth mentioning that Lady Fatimah (AS) is the only surviving child of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) who left progeny for him.

All the other children of the Prophet died in their early ages, without being able to leave an issue behind themselves.

The infidels of Hijaz (Arabia) used to dishonor the Prophet by saying that he does not have a son to preserve his generation. For that reason, Allah revealed the Chapter of "al-Kawthar":

"Lo! We have given you Abundance (i.e., a long-standing pure progeny). So pray unto your Lord, and sacrifice. Lo! It is your insulter (and not you) who is without progeny." (Quran, Chapter 108).

If I am not mistaken, the names of the other daughters that you mentioned were not the holy apostle's natural daughters, but were daughters of women that he married. Fatima Zahra, the Lady of Light, was his only daughter from Bibi Khadija.

I will not put too much info. in this post as it might get difficult to read.

Please let me know if you have questions on any specific part.

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Originally posted by a1shah:
*If I am not mistaken, the names of the other daughters that you mentioned were not the holy apostle's natural daughters, but were daughters of women that he married. Fatima Zahra, the Lady of Light, was his only daughter from Bibi Khadija.
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I have yet to read the whole response...However, Ummul Momineen, Hazrat Khadija RA bore Prophet SAW 6 children. She had kids from her previous marriage as well.
The 6 kids were ...
Sons...
Abdullah, who died in his infancy.
Qasim, who died around the age of 2.
Daughters...
Eldest, Hazrat Zainab RA was married to her cousin, Abul Aas RA. Her daughter Imama RA was dearly loved by Prophet SAW. Hazrat Zainab died in her mid 20s.
Hazrat Ruqqaiyah RA was married to Usman bin Affan, who was a distant relative of Prophet SAW. Hazrat Ruqqaiyah died in her early 20s after a severe illness.
Hazrat Umme Kulsoom RA was first married to Abu Lahabs son. Due to his opposition to Islam, she divorced him, and she was married by the Prophet SAW to Usman bin Affan after Hazrat Ruqqaiyahs death. She died in her late teens, at a very young age, and the Prophet SAW was extremely grieved at her death. She was alongside Prophet SAW in good and bad times, and died around the time of Battle of Uhud.
Hazrat Fatima RA was his youngest daughter, and Prophet SAW loved her immensely. She was married to Hazrat Ali RA, and had 2 sons, Hazrat Imam Hassan RA, and Hazrat Imam Hussain RA. Hazrat Fatima RA died in her late teens as well, just months after the passing away of Prophet SAW himself.

Prophets SAW had another son, Ibrahim, who was born to Ummul Momineen, Hazrat Maria Qibtiya RA. Ibrahim RA died soon after his death though.

Wallaho Alim.

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Eastern;

As I said, regardless of who were all the sons and daughters, the ahl bait and the 14 masumeens are not given their high status based solely on their relationship with the prophet (pbuh).

Wa Salam.

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Eastern;

It is a fact that Fatima was the holy apostle's only daughter that left him a progeny.

However, I would appreciate other opinion in this matter.