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Dear MHA and others,
I have read your question about Hadith describing Imam Mehdi and Dajal. You have said that none of the Hadith fits Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani. I would like to say that all the Hadith about Imam Mehdi fits 100% with with Mirza Sahib. 

  1.   One of the sign as described in Hadith is that Imam Mehdi will be of Persian background. Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) said this by putting his hand on the shoulder of Hazrat Salman Farsi (R.A).(You can consult Sahi Bukhari: under the Tafseer of Sorah-i-Juma). Mirza Sahib had a Persian background. 

  2.    Another big sign or prophecy of the edvent of messiah as described in Hadith is the Eclipse of Moon and Sun in the month of Ramazan. Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) said that when the Imam mehdi will appear the Moon will be eclipsed on his first day and Sun will be eclipsed on its middle day in the month of Ramadhan (Dar- Qatni Volume 1, page 188). Obviously a claim has to be made before the eclipse. other wise everybody can claim to be Imam mehdi after the eclipse. Mirza Sahib claimed before the Ramadhan of 1894 that this would happen. Now, as the hadith describes that moon will be eclipsed on its first day, it should be noted that moon can only eclipse on the 13th, 14th or 15th of a month. on any other day of month it is impossible (if you are not sure, ask any scientist). Similarly, the Solar eclipse can only happen on 27th, 28th and 29th of a month and the Hadith describes that the sun will eclipse on its middle day. The two dates come out to be 13th and 28th (first and middle). According to Mirza Sahib claim, this event happened on the exact dates of Ramadhan of 1894. Also the point should be noted that science was not so advance at that time that time that somebody could predict this event by scientific calculations (atleast not in India). Now, we can calculate the movement of Sun, moon and earth even to the accuracy of microseconds. If somebody claims this thing now it will be of no significance. But you should note that this thing cannot happen in the near future (I guess not in next 100 or more years: according to calculations). Now who says that none of the Hadith fits on Mirza Sahib. 

  3.      Another Hadith describes that how the messiah will look like. I am quoting the translation of that in English but be aware that this may not be the exact and very very correct translation I am just trying to convey you the the main theme of that Hadith. for exact translation and for reference please consult the book (Reference described at the end. Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) said that I saw a dream and I saw that I am doing the TAWAF around the Kaba and suddenly a man came infront of me. his colour was brown (which we say Gundumi in urdu) his hair were staright and long and drops of water were falling of his head. I asked that who is he? I was told that he is the son of Mary (Ibne-Mariyam) and then I saw another person who........ after this the Dajal is described (For referenve See: Bukhari, Volume 2, Kitab-ul fitan, page 146) Please note that this is the exact description of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani. Please don't be mistaken by the Word "Ibne-Maryium" and dont think that this is Jesus. Because his looks as described in other Hadiths is different. he had red colour as normal palestinens have.

    So now, who says that none of the Hadiths fits Mirza Sahib.

  4.      According to the Prophecies of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W), a Mujadid (reviver) will appear on the start of each century who will revive islam and will corect the mistakes being done by the people of that time (For reference: ABU-Daud, Volume 2, chapter of "BAB-ul-Malaham"). This prophecy is true as we all believe (Both Ahmadies and Non-Ahmadies). We know that great Mujadids have came in the past like Shiekh Abdul-Qadir Jelani, Hazrat Shiekh Ahmad Sirhindy Mujadid Alif Sani, Hazrat Shah Walliulah Dehlwi, Syed Ahmad Barailwi etc.. So this is decided that this prophecy is true but I have one quetion to ask you, WHERE ARE THE MUJADIDS OF 13th AND 14th CENTURY?????? I havent heard of any. Niether do Maulvi Sahiban recognize anybody as Mujadid. SO WHAT HAPPENED that these Mujadidin Suddenly disappeared???? Was Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) wrong (Na-Auzubillah)?????? No, of course not. According to the Ahmadi belives Mirza Sahib was a Mujadid too and after Mirza Sahib his Khalifas are performing the duties of Mujadids. Now, can you say that there is no Hadith that fits Mirza Sahib.

  5.     Another sign of the sect which is truthful in his believes, is Khilaphat. In Quran Allah  descibes this thing. again i would like to point out that this is not the exact translation. it just has the basic theme. For exact translation consult the reference given at the end. "It is a Promise of Allah that God will continue the system of Khilafat or will apoint Caliphs in  those of you who will do good deeds (Aamal-i-Saleh) just like Allah did in the previous times (in the Ummat of Musa)"(Quran: Noor, 56). At this time Jammat Ahamdia is the only sect of Islam (Although you dont consider us as Muslims) who has the system of Khilafat. Other sects are striving hard to establish some kind of Khilafat but they will not be successful in this aim because it is the will of God which is only for the people who do Aamal-i-Saleh. I am not saying that none of the Non-Ahamdi does any Aamal-i-Saleh but I am saying that as a group or as a sect you are not at that level. If we are not the Jammat which is on the right track then how come God allowed us to establish a Khilafat. Isn't that against his rules and laws???? Some Prominent people has tried to establish Khilafat in past but to no avail. An example of this is Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, look at his end, hanged to death by a person whom he appointed himself as the Army chief (General. Zia). Another person was Shah Faisl and Qadafi, look at him, killed by the son of his own brother. Now, Maulvi Israr Sahib is striving hard in this field. You might have seen some stickers in the public transport, or writings on the walls or posters by Maulvi Israr Sahib. Let me tell you, the results of this effort would be same as the previous ones. Now tell me, can you still stand on your believe.        

  6.   As far as Dajal is concerned, I am not giving the complete answer with refernces right now because although I know the answer but I want to consult few books to get references and quotations. In very short, let me tell you that according to the Jammat Ahmadia, the Dajal has already appeared. According to our believes all the Christian nation and the western forces are Dajal. It is a collective noun not specifficaly for one person. It might look strange to you right now but when I will explain the facts to you then you will understand this thing. 

 There are tons and tons of other proofs of the truth of Mirza Sahib. I will be providing you with some more in future. If you like to do research by yourself, I would like to Suggest 2 books. (1). Dawat-ul-Amir by Mirza Bashir-ud-din Mahmoud Sahib. (2). Tabligh-i-Hidayat by Mirza Bashir Ahmad Sahib. You can get these books from any Ahmadia mosque or other ahamadia places.

    I really apreciate this message board because this helps us discuss these important issues. I have written this whole essay at one time, so excuse my spelling and other mistakes. Please excuse me if I have hurt anybody's feelings. I think that all the discussion on this message board should be peaceful and polite. Everybody has the right to present his/her opinion or to refute the opinion of others but there is a limit which we shouldn't cross. Respect the believes of others, whether they are Muslims or Non-Muslims.

Good Bye and May Allah Provide Guidence to all of you in this Holy month of Ramazan.

[This message has been edited by mirzayasir (edited December 21, 1998).]

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Mirza Yasir sahib....I have heared that whenever you talk with a Ahmedi, he will blame Bhutto because he was the one who declared you non-muslims and the nation is very thankful to him on this...You made it right...I am not fighting but you stated the deaths of all those....can you tell all of us how Mirza Ghulam died. I saw someone asking the same question but none of the ahmedi relplied. One more thing your statment showed that you are considering him as Mujadid but all of us know that ahmedis beleive him to be a prophet and don't beleive that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the last prophet.

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In your post you said:"please don't be mistaken by the name of Ibn-Mariyum".
This name is mentioned in Quran,the name of Mirza's mother was "Chiragh Bi",and everyone knows this name is not in Quran.
Jesus was born without father,Mirza's father name was "Ghulam Murtaza"
How can we set christians,jews and other westerners as a Dajjal,we have so many Hadiths regarding that,in those hadiths clearly the signs of Dajjal.

Please explain,why we should not use the name IbneMariyum.

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To Mirza Yasir,

According to "real" Muslim scholars Imam Mehdi will appear after Dajal has appeared
and he will be from the family of the Prophet
(peace be upon him). Dajal DID NOT appear before or during the life of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed.

The signs of the appearance of Dajal have just recently started to appear, some of which are open homo-sexuality, children been born outof wedlock, and other un-moral things that were totally unacceptable in the christian world (no more than 100 years back).

The MAJOR sign of Dajal is that he will be in any part of the world and will known exactly what is going on in any other part of the world. This is now getting possible with satelliate communications (mobile phone/computing internet etc.) Again this was not true in the time of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed. In another couple of years the plan (globalstar and other) is to cover the entire earth with a mesh of sattelites that will allow a person to use his/her cellular phone from anywhere to anywhere in the world.

Another sign is that ADULTERY will be a norm. This is true now that any one can commit adultery (adult movies and all the filth). Again this was not common in the days of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed. In the christian society of that time nobody would to dare to admit or commit it openly. the christian society (US/Europe) still had some moral values 50 years back.

Another major sign is that the Muslims will loose Al-Quds to the Jews (which happended in 1967). Again this did not happen during the time of Mirza Gulam Ahmed. I don't remember exactly but it is said that the Muslims will fight a terrrible war with the Muslims on one side of the West Bank and the Jews on the other. The Muslims will suffer terrible deaths and then either Imam Mehdi or Isa (peace be upon him) will come and they will defeat the Jews and the Dajal.

As far as your saying that the Khilafa is back is incorrect - WHY because Sharia is not
been practised in any country where the ahmadis are living (UK, USA, Canada etc.)
the Khilafa cannot be established without Sharia (agreed by all Muslim scholars).

PS: When I say Muslim scholars I mean real scholars who preach and practice Islam and who can relate the chain (scholars from which they acquired knowledge) all the way to the Prophet (peace be upon him).

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Anyone serious interested in learning about Qadianism should visit the following site:

http://www.irshad.org/idara/qadiani/writings.htm

Since this topic has been discussed here before in detail, I dont think we need to do it again. Mirza Gulam is a proven liar, a pure dreamer and a Kafir. If any muslim feel like wrong labeling them as Kafir then
please note that in their religion people who do not believe in Mirza Gulab are regarded as Kafirs no matter if they speak the Kalima so
either they are Kafirs or you. These are the words of Mirza sahib and not mine.

May Allah SWT take us to the right path. Ameen.

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Dear Rubiya, 

 Thanks for posting a reply. Now let me tell you the major differences between the Ahmadies and Non-Ahmadi. 

  1. We, Ahmadies, believe that Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) is KhatAm-un-Nabiyin. All the other Muslims will tell you that because Ahmadies don't believe in Khatam-i-Nabuat so they are not Muslims. This is wrong. We believe in Khatam-i-Nabuat more than the others do. The only difference is that we have a little different idea about it or I should say that the other Muslim brothers have a different idea because they are the ones which are deviating from the path. We believe that a prophet can come after Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) but he has to be under him and has to preach the same Shariat and his job would only be to reinforce the teachings of Quran and Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W). Any prophet after Hazoor (S.A.W) cannot change the Shariat because its the last shariat. We believe that he was a subordinate prophet under Hazoor (S.A.W).

  2. We believe that Hazrat Issa (Jesus) has died his natural death and has not been lifetd to the heavens. The prophecies about the advent of Messiah are metaphorical and only means that a person will come who will have the properties of Hazrat Issa, not the Jesus himself. This point will be explained fully in my up coming reply very soon.

  3. The third point is not realy a dispute but it is related to the first two points. this point is that whether or not Mirza Sahib was a true person. If the first two issues are resolved then there will be no need of discussing this point.

    THESE are some of the MAJOR disputes and difference between Ahmadies and Non-Ahmadies. there are some other disputes too for example, the Dajaal, the Mairaj etc. But these are also smaller ones which can be resolved if the first ones are resolved. Now your second question. I have not provided the proofs of these believes or our supporting arguments here because the are realylong debates. May be sometime in future I will let you know that.

You have said, "I find it hard to believe that the Pakistan Govt. would take a decision which is not backed by Islamic Law and specially now after reading your post, which states that the Pak Govt. has banned visas for Hajj??!!" I don't know why you find it hard to believe that Pakistani government has made laws against Islamic laws. Let me tell you some other laws which are made by the government of Pakistan, after reading this I will leave the decision on you to decide whether these laws are Islamic or non-Islamic.

  1. If an Ahamadi says Salam to any other Muslim, he can be sent to jail because of this. Is this Islamic???

  2. Ahmadies are not allowed to say their place of worship "Mosques". After this law was made we were forced to change the names of all our mosques for example " Masjid Mubarik was changed to Bait-ul-Mubarik" Similarly names like "Bait-ul-Hamd, Bait-unNoor" were proposed for our mosques. Is this Islamic?????

  3. Ahmadies are not allowed to give Azan (call for prayers) in the mosques. So now Azans are not given in our mosques. Is this Islamic????

  4. If any Ahmadi tries to show in any way that he is Muslim, then he can be put to jail. For examples, if an ahmadi is found reading Quran he is sent to jail. Is this Islamic. There were cases in past when Ahmadies were sent to jails who had calenders in their homes or shops and an Ayat of Quran was inscribed on it. Is this Islamic??? Many of Ahmadies were thrown into jails because they had Badges on their chests which had Kalima written on it. Is this Islamic???

  5. Ahmadies are not allowed to preach openly in Pakistan. Is this Islamic???

(Note: Most of these laws are under the act 196 (c) )
I would like to quote what another person has said above, "so just keep in mind that an ahmadi is a person, who has no civil rights, no human rights, no protection, and deserves to be sworn at, killed, hanged and jailed."

  Now if you believe that any of this law is Islamic, please let me know and tell me the basis of these laws. Where in Islam these things are allowed???????????

Good Bye

[This message has been edited by mirzayasir (edited December 21, 1998).]

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Assalam-o-Alaikum,
The replies are coming at such a speed that it is becoming impossible forme to answer all of these questions but I am trying my best to answer all these questions. First I am giving a very brief answer to Mr. Mohammed Ali. Dear, I have read your responce and I would like to ask few questions from you. Can you tell me where Mirza Sahib has said that all the other muslims are Non-Muslims. Please, it is a very humble request from me that whenever you say anything please give Quotation and reference for that material. Note that I have tried my best to always give you the reference to you so that you people can check that. You know why I have asked you this thing? because most probably you would have heard this thing from a mualvi or you would have read this thing in a book or on internet. This is a hard fact that whenever you say something about Mirza Sahib you are telling the other people that you are a liar. Because I have read many books against Ahmadiat and I know that most of the quotations given there doesn't even exist in the books of Mirza Sahib or they are seriously tempered by the Maulvies. most of the time these people present half sentences and dont provide the proper context of that sentence. For example in many of these books you will find that Maulvies will blame Mirza Sahib saying this thing, "Hazoor (S.A.W) didn't complete Islam" but the truth is that Mirza Sahib has never said this thing. There he was telling something else and after that he asked the rehtorical question "Does this mean that Hazoor (S.A.W) didn't complete Islam?" Now see the wickedness of these Maulvies. Although the part of the sentence which they have presented is true but it has a totally different meaning than the real sentence. So, Please not only give the Reference but also tell the full sentence and try to tell few sentences before and after that.

 The site which you have suggested to others is an example of the same thing. I visited that site and there was a sentence written there in bold letters "Mirza Ghulam used to say that cholera or plague is the sign of Allah(SWT)'s wrath on mankind for their wrong doing!" I asked the administrators of this site to give me the reference of this sentence but they never replied. If a person tells one lie then everything else he tells you is not trustable. As far as this sentence is concerned, it is true that Mirza Sahib said that plague is warth of God because he prophecized the spread of plague and it spreaded in early 1900's in India and millions of people died but the Ahmadies remain unaffected. But I have never heard that Mirza Sahib said that Cholera is a warth of God. Think!!! Thosands of innocent children under the age of 10 die every day because of cholera everyday. How can it be a warth of God. Why should God punish those innocent children? As this discussion has started so let me answer the question put up by Mr. Precious. He has asked that how Mirza Sahib died.

   Many people will tell you lies that he died in the washroom of train (Na-auzubillah) and other stupid stories. These are all wrong. Yes, Mirza Sahib died because of cholera but he never died in washroom etc. People will say that it was a warth of God. For the information of all of you, I want to tell you that Mirza Sahib has this chronic disease right from the begining, Long before his claims of being a Prophet or Imam Mehdi. So how can you say that it was a warth of God. Did God started punishing a person even before he did a mistake?? Actually this is another proof of the truth of Mirza Sahib because in Hadith Prophet Muhammad is describing the advent of the Messiah and he said "he will be wraped in two pale yellow sheets (Chadar)" Mirza Sahib had two chronic diseases one was this one and the other was pain in his head. In dreams the yellow cloth is discribed as a symbol of illnes (For Refernce: tateer-ul-anam volume 2 page 41). Mirza Sahib has written about this thing himself he said, " I prayed for these two diseases but the responce was in negative" (For referenve: Haqiqat-ul-Wahi pg 307) This means that these two diseases were acordind to the will of God and prophecies of Hazoor (S.A.W) that's why he never got rid of them. Now, it is clear that his death was not a warth of God but the will of God.                                                         Good Bye for now
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Mirza Yasir.....Thats very funny and how can you justify this according to medical sciences. I have never heared that Cholera can be chronic. Its a kind of infectious disease caused by bacterial outbreak vibrio Cholerae (medical fact) and have you ever heared of a person having cholera since childhood. You are taking cholera just like it is kind of a cold or something like that. If a person gets cholera then either he get rid of it or he dies because of it. You are telling a complete lie and history is the proof that he died because of Cholera and in the washroom with his face inside. That was wrath of Allah (SWT) and we don't know of any other prophet who died such a miserable death that Allah (SWT) gave Mirza Ghulam. All of the references which you are providing are from Ahmedi books and we don't beleive them. But let me tell you that the picture of Cholera disease which you described looked very funny and no one can beleive it at least not anyone whose profession is medicine or microbiology. You didn't answer my second question about Mujadid.

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From what I know, all Prophets have been recognised as such because they performed miracles (please correct me if I'm wrong). That's how people knew that they were prophets/messengers of Allah. mirzayasir, can you detail which miracles your leader performed?

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Dear mirzayasir

Ali (RA) said, "The Prophet (S) said, the Mahdi is one of us, from among the people of my household. In one night Allah would send a man from among us to fill the world with justice, just as it had been filled with oppression and injustice." (Ahmad, Al Musnad)

Abu Dawud (RA) reported a Hadith from Abd Allah ibn Masud (RA): "The Prophet (S) said, if there were only one day left for the world, that day would be lengthened until a man from among my decendants or from among the people of my household was sent; his name will be the same as my name, and his father's name will be the the same as my father's name. He will fill the earth with justice and fairness, just as it will have been filled with injustice and oppression. The world will not end until a man of my household, whose name is the same as mine, holds sway."

Abu Said (RA) said, "The Prophet (S) said, The Mahdi will be one of my descendants; he will have a high forehead and a hooked nose. He will fill the earth with justice and fairness just as it was filled with injustice and oppression, and he will rule for seven years. (Abu Dawud)

Again, Mirzayasir, Mirza Hgulam Ahmed is not the Madhi as

  1. He is NOT from the Prophet (S) family.

  2. He did NOT rule for 7 years.

  3. He did NOT He will fill the earth with justice and fairness just as it still is filled with injustice and oppression.

Allah knows the best, may Allah guide all of us to the righteous path, ameen.

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Errata for my typo in my previous posting:

"Again, Mirzayasir, Mirza Hgulam Ahmed is not the Madhi as"

The above line should say Mirza Ghulam Ahmed.

MHA

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Dear brothers, 

   I first came to this Gup Shup 5 or 6 days ago. I saw a thread about ahmadiat over here and as an ahmadi I thought that its my duty to inform you the truths about ahmadiat. From the very begining I have appreciated this message board because it gives us a chance to share our thoughts. But I strongly stressed the point that this debate has to be fair. and it was fair up till now but some of our brothers like Mr. Precious have started using Vulgar and Coarse language here. Now, I feel that instead of serving my faith I am insulting it. People are using such words about Mirza Sahib because of me. So now I want to quit this debate. I have answered many question in past and I have written answers for some of your recent questions but I am not gonna post them unless you guys stop doing this. I would strongly advise Mr.Precious that he edit his last message. Yes, you can give facts about someone else but not in this vulgar way. Let me tell you an incident which happened in Hazoor's (S.A.W) life.

 Hazoor was returning from a Ghazwa, (probably Ghazwa-i-Tabuk) and a person who was an hypocrate said that "today the most respectfull man (he was calling himself respected) of Madina will expel the most insulted man out of Madina(he was saying this about Hazoor(S.A.W)" (NA-Auzubillah). Prophet Muhammad didn't say anything to him and when he died Hazoor went to his Janaza and Hazrat Ali (R.A) asked Hazoor (S.A.W) that will you go to the Janaza of that person who has insulted you and about whom God has said that even if you seek forgivness for him 70 times I will not forgive him. Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) said,"Ali, Agar Mujhay Yakin hota kay meray 70 say ziyada bar muafi manganay say khuda usay baksh day ga to khuda ki kasm may 70 say ziyada bar muafi mangta". Look how generous he was and he even forgave the person who insulted him. Islam has taught us that don't say any bad thing about somebody else's believes. Now you are doing this, Is this what Islam have taught you? If yes, then I am sorry, your Islam is not the same as preached by Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W).  After reading your reply, I went to the previous threads and I found out that they also contain the same stuff, vulgar language. The administartor of this has also stressesd that such things are not allowed but you are doing the same thing. Sorry, Sorry, Sorry. I am not participating in this debate unless this thing is over.

Just a quick answer to your question is that I am a biology student and I also practices Homeopathy and I know very well about cholera. For your kind information I never used the word chronic cholera. I just started this debate because the site "irshad" has used this word and I wanted to refute their ideas. If you want to find out what were exactly the diseases then read the book mentioned in my responce. Even if we admit you debate for few moments, please tell me that how do the Non-Ahmadies know that he died in washroom. Please name that Non-Ahmadi person who was present there at that time. If none of you guys were present there then how do you know???????. Did you get some kind of wahi or ilham from God? But according to your believes that has stopped at Hazoor (S.A.W). In Short, you claim is a lie in itself. please abstain from such lies in Ramzan atleast. Don't lie or use vulgar language while you are fasting to make your fast Makrooh.

Good Bye till the change in attitude.

MIRZA YASIR

[This message has been edited by mirzayasir (edited December 22, 1998).]

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Assalam O Alaikum

Here are some Sahih ahadiths which describe who will desend and who will fight the dajjal and the about the promised Mahdi.

Sahih Bukhari - Volume 3, Book 34, Number 425:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts.

Sahih Bukhari - Volume 3, Book 43, Number 656:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).

Sahih Muslim - Book 1, Number 0293:
Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:
I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) say: A section of my people will not cease fighting for the Truth and will prevail till the Day of Resurrection. He said: Jesus son of Mary would then descend and their (Muslims') commander would invite him to come and lead them in prayer, but he would say: No, some amongst you are commanders over some (amongst you). This is the honour from Allah for this Ummah.

Sahih Muslim - Book 40, Number 6924:
Narrated AbuHurayrah:
Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) said: The Last Hour will not come until the Romans land at al-A'maq or in Dabiq. An army consisting of the best (soldiers) of the people on Earth at that time will come from Medina (to oppose them).
When they arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans will say: Do not stand between us and those (Muslims) who took prisoners from among us. Let us fight them. The Muslims will say: Nay, by Allah, we shall never turn aside from you and from our brethren so that you may fight them.
They will then fight and a third (part) of the army, whom Allah will never forgive, will run away. A third (part of the army), which will be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah's eyes, would be killed. The third who will never be put on trial will win and they will be the conquerors of Constantinople.
As they are busy in distributing the spoils of war (amongst themselves) after hanging their swords by the olive trees, Satan will cry: The Dajjal has taken your place among your families. They will then come out, but it will be of no avail. When they reach Syria, he will come out while they are still preparing themselves for battle, drawing up the ranks.
Certainly, the time of prayer will come and then Jesus (peace_be_upon_him), son of Mary, descend and will lead them in prayer. When the enemy of Allah see him, it will (disappear) just as salt dissolves in water and if he (Jesus) were not to confront them at all, even then it would dissolve completely. Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on his lance (the lance of Jesus Christ).

Sahih Muslim - Book 40, Number 6931:
Narrated Hudhayfah ibn Usayd Ghifari:
Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) came to us all of a sudden as we were (busy in a discussion) He said: What do you discuss about? (the Companions) said: We are discussing about the Last Hour.
Thereupon he said: It will not come until you see ten signs before and (in this connection) he made a mention of the smoke, Dajjal, the beast, the rising of the sun from the west, the descent of Jesus son of Mary (Allah be pleased with him), The Gog and Magog, and landslides in three places, one in the east, one in the west and one in Arabia at the end of which fire would burn forth from the Yemen, and would drive people to the place of their assembly.

Sahih Muslim - Book 40, Number 7023:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr:
Someone came to him and said: What is this hadith that you narrate that the Last Hour will come at a certain time? Thereupon he said: Hallowed be Allah, there is no god but Allah (or words to the same effect). I have decided that I shall not narrate anything to anyone now. I have only said that you will see after some time an important event: that the (sacred) House (Ka'bah) will be burnt and it definitely happen.
He then reported that Allah's Messenger (peace_be_upon_him) said: The Dajjal will appear in my Ummah and he will stay (in the world) for forty--I cannot say whether he meant forty days, forty months or forty years. Allah will then send Jesus, son of Mary, who will resemble Urwah ibn Mas'ud. He (Jesus Christ) will chase him and kill him. Then people will live for seven years, during which time there will be no rancour between any two persons. After that Allah will send a cold wind from the direction of Syria. None will survive on Earth, having a speck of good in him or faith in him: he will die. Even if some among you were to enter the innermost part of the mountain, this wind would reach that place also and cause your death.
I heard Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) as saying: Only the wicked people will survive and they will be as careless as birds with the characteristics of beasts. They will never appreciate good nor condemn evil. Then Satan will come to them, in human form, and would say: Don't you respond? They will say: What do you order us to do? He will command them to worship the idols but, in spite of this, they will have an abundance of sustenance and lead comfortable lives. Then the trumpet will be blown and he who hears it will bend his neck to one side and raise it from the other side. The first one to hear that trumpet will be the person who is busy in setting right the cistern meant for supplying water to the camels. He will faint and the other people will also faint. Then Allah will send or He will cause to be sent rain which will be like dew and there will grow out of it the bodies of people.
Then the second trumpet will be blown and they will stand up and begin to look (around). Then it will be said: O people, go to your Lord. They will be made to stand there and they will be questioned. Then it will be said: Bring out a group (of them) for the Hell-Fire. It will be asked: How much? It will be said: Nine hundred and ninety-nine out of one thousand for the Hell-Fire. That will be the day that will make the children old because of its terror and that will be the day about which it has been said: "On the day when the shank will be uncovered".

Wa ma alaina illalbalagh
Assalam O Alaikum

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Assalamualaikum,

Didn't the Prophet (S.A.W.) say that if there were to be any Prophet after Him, it would be Umar (R.A.)? I have heard this Hadith, but cannot give you any reference for it at the moment. We all know that Umar(R.A.) was only a Caliph, not a prophet.

Mirzayasir,
the Dajjal that is supposed to appear during the time of Imam Mahdi is an individual. We can't just say that the Christians and Jews are the Dajjal. One of the signs of the Dajjal is that any Muslim would be able to see the letters spelling "Kafir" or "Kufr" on his forehead(The writing is in Arabic). Also, during the time of Imam Mahdi, Jesus(A.S.) is supposed to descend. This has not happened yet.

If you would like to see some references, see my thread called "Signs of Qiyamat".

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I getting confused on what the Ahmadis claim in regards to Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, some say he is the Imam Medhi while others say he is the Masiah (AS).

In either cases none of Hadiths and the events surrounding Mirza's life fits those described for Imam Medhi or Masiah (AS).

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AHMEDIS ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WON THE NOBLE PRIZE IN PAKISTAN SO SHOW THEM SOME RESPECTDAMMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!
ANTI SOCRATES
WHY YOU ANTI SOCRATES?
HE WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST GREEK PHILOSOPHERS LIKE PLATO.

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coolio2:You think that noble prize is protecting him from hell fire.

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Mirza Yasir, Don't change the topic, anybody can see that I didn't use vulgar language or used abusive behaviour. In fact your remarks are harder. Why don't you say that you were answerless. You stated very clearly that Mirza Ghulam had a chronic Cholera which doesn't exist. I ask all of you to let me know if you know anything like this.

Now Coolio..You want muslims to respect Ahmedi's only because one of them got Nobel Prize? What kind of mind you have got? Everyone in the scientific community knows that there are many other scientist who served science more than Dr. Abdus Salam but they were not nominated by Nobel committe only becaus ethey were muslims like Dr. Saleem Uz Zaman Siddiqui etc. The west awarded Dr. Abdus Salam with Nobel prize right after when Ahmedis were declared non-muslims. Thats history. I am not saying that he was not entitled for it. As a scientist he was great but your thinking that Ahmedis should be considered right only because one of them got Nobel prize.....its in no way acceptable.

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Mr.Mirza you were answerless that's why you are running away.Accept the truth before it is too late.
Precious did not use any volgur or abusive language,you are just making an excuse.
I have never seen anyone converting to Qadiani religion,the only reason few of you exist because you all born in qadiani family

ALLAH Hum sub ko Hidayat de. Ameen

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Dear mazaloom and Precious,
I am not changing the topic. I am still on the same topic. Me ney kiya zulm kiya hey jo aap mazloom ban kar baith gaiy heiN?? I did answered your question but you didn't answered my question. How do you people know that he died in washroom and stuff like that. Which non-Ahmadi was there? Can you name him please. We will give that person, a noble prize because he has done such a marvellous job that nobody else can do. What a job!! A BIG LIE!!!!!

  Mr. Precious, please think for a momoent that giving such remarks about somebody that he died in washroom with his face inside, is decent language. Atleast not for me. My elders have never taught me this, neither do Islam have taught us this thing. Mr.Mazloom ney yeh dua key hay "ALLAH Hum sub ko Hidayat de. Ameen" Mey behi yeh hi chahata hon key Allah hum sub ko hidayat dey Ameen.

MIRZA YASIR