Are Ismaili’s / Agahkhanis also declared non-muslims in Pakistan? They dont believe in the Quran, Namaz, Holy Prophet, Kalma… if they are considered muslims…thats pretty sad!
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^ who are "Ismailies and Aghakhanies"?? Care to provide some info?
I think Ahmadis suffered due to some political sh!t and not really due to their beliefs.
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Sweetpack, How do you know that agakhanis dont believe the Quran, Namaz, Holy Prophet, Kalma..? or is that your speculation or a real fact?
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I got this from my very close friend and thats why I asked you sweetpack the question cos it's all ridiculous ...
This is their constitution
Constitution
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BISMI-LLAHI-R-RAHMANI-R-RAHIM
Whereas
(A) The Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims affirm the Shahadah 'La- ilaha illallih, Muhammadur Rasulu-llah'. the Tawhid therein and that the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Salla-llahu alayhi wa-sallam) is the last and final Prophet of Allah. Islam, as revealed in the Holy Quran, is the final message of Allah to mankind, and is universal and eternal. The Holy Prophet (S.A.S.) through the divine revelation from Allah prescribed rules governing spiritual and temporal matters.
(B) In accordance with Shia doctrine, tradition, and interpretation of history, the Holy Prophet (S.A.S.) designated and appointed his cousin and son-in-law Hazrat Mawlana Ali Amiru-l-Mu'minin (Alayhi-s-salam), to be the first Imam to continue the Ta'wil and Ta'lim of Allah's final message and to guide the murids, and proclaimed that the Imamat should continue by heredity through Hazrat Mawlana Ali (A.S.) and his daughter Hazrat Bibi Fatimat-az-Zahra, Khatun-i-Jannat Alayha-s-salam).
(C) Succession to Imamat is by way of Nass,it being the absolute prerogative of the Imam of the time to appoint his successor from amongst any of his male descendants whether they be sons or remoter issue.
(D) The authority of the Imam in the Ismaili Tariqah is testified by Bay'ah by the murid to the Imam which is the act of acceptance by the murid of the permanent spiritual bond between the Imam and the murid. This allegiance unites all Ismaili Muslims worldwide in their loyalty, devotion and obedience to the Imam within the Islamic concept of universal brotherhood. It is distinct from the allegiance of the individual murid to his land of abode,
(E) From the time of the Imamat of Hazrat Mawlana Ali (A.S.), the Imams of the Ismaili Muslims have ruled over territories and peoples in various areas of the world at different periods of history and, in accordance with the needs of the time, have given rules of conduct and constitutions in conformity with the Islamic concepts of unity, brotherhood, justice, tolerance and goodwill.
(F) Historically and in accordance with Ismaili tradition, the Imam of the time is concerned with spiritual advancement as well as improvement of the quality of life of his murids. The Imam's Ta'lim lights the murids' path to spiritual enlightenment and vision. In temporal matters, the Imam guides the murids, and motivates them to develop their potential.
(G) Mawlana Hazar Imam Shah Karim al Hussaini, His Highness Prince Aga Khan, in direct lineal descent from the Holy Prophet (S.A.S.) through Hazrat Mawlana Ali (A.S.) and Hazrat Bibi Fatima (A.S.), is the Forty-Ninth Imam of the Ismaili Muslims.
(H) By virtue of his office and in accordance with the faith and belief of the Ismaili Muslims, the Imam enjoys full authority of governance over and in respect of all religious and Jamati matters of the Ismaili Muslims.
(I) It is the desire and Hidayah of Mawlana Hazar Imam that the constitutions presently applicable to the Ismaili Muslims in different countries be superseded and that the Ismaili Muslims worldwide be given this Constitution in order better to secure their peace and unity, religious and social welfare, to foster fruitful collaboration between different peoples, to optimize the use of resources, and to enable the Ismaili Muslims to make a valid and meaningful contribution to the improvement of the quality of life of the Ummah and the societies in which they live.
Now therefore
In exercise of the said recited authority vested in me as Hazar Imam, 1, SHAH KARIM AL HUSSAINI AGA KHAN, am pleased to ordain AND DO HEREBY ORDAIN that the Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims, in whatever place they may be, shall at all times be bound and governed by this Constitution according to its tenor.
ORDAINED under the Sign Manual and Seal of Mawlana Hazar Imam Shah Karim al Hussaini His Highness Prince Aga Khan the Forty-Ninth Imam of the Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims at Merimont, Geneva, this Thirteenth day of December One Thousand Nine Hundred and Eighty Six being the Tenth day of Rabi ath-Thani One Thousand Four Hundred and Seven (Hijrah), in the Thirtieth year of his Imamat.
AGA KHAN
I have lived with AGA KHANIS all my life and they are the true ambassodars of ISLAM. They talk about pluralism, they help humanity visit their Akdn.org site. The Govt of Pakistan gets fundings from UNO for schooling etc through Agakhan Foundation. These people are peace makers and ethical.
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Basit says the Pakistani government hasn’t declared them kaffirs according to constitution. Where’s your proof that they have been?
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I have no proof at hand. I have only heard it through the word of mouth that Agha Khanis were also declared non-Muslims in Paikstan.
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Agha Khanis have never been declared kaafirs in any Muslim country, including Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
From time to time, attempts have been made in Pakistan, but which so far have failed to gain the support of the majority of Pakistani ulema in the same way that the majority swiftly agreed that Qadiyanis are non-Muslim.
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I am glad you recognized your behaviour Sadiyah... Thank you!
It will be nice to see your response on what legitimate info you have on Aga Khanis. Their Consititution is in front of you, read it. There are 15 million Aga khanis in the world. I have met so many in Tajikistan and in Pakistan. Where they Pray and their concept on Tauheed and the fundamentals of faith are very strong. They believe in ONE GOD and they believe in Prophet Muhammed and they believe in him to be the final messenger of ALLAH.
Yes, After Prophet Muhammed they believe in the Imams and Hazrat Ali to be their first Imam and the continuity of the IMAMS... They are considered in all books of ISLAM to be the part of ****e Islam. BUT this all is secondary the question is if they are muslims or not ?
I want to reiterate to you and to everyone that for someone to be a muslim ONE has to say KALIMA, the Shahada. We have no rights to impose and judge people based upon our personal beliefs..
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Actually Im not an expert or anything and I would never speculate on something like that…but my best friend is Agah Khani and that is all stuff she has told me. She also says that they are allowed to drink! I remember a few years ago she was going to meet Agah Khan and she went to the hair salon for her hair and she told me that many girls will lay there hair on the ground for him to walk on!
Pretty unislamic stuff if you ask me.
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Basit...I dont know much about this so please dont take my questions wrong...
1)is it true that Agah Khanis believe that Agah Khan is God? or a form of God? and what he says over rides the Quran?
2) is it true they dont have to practice pardah?
(this is all stuff I have been told by my Agah Khani friend)
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SweetPAC, yaar if AGAKHAN associates himself to be GOD or a form of a GOD It's SHIRK and YES then they are Kafirs
BUT this is NOT True that they associate AGAKHAN To GOD
Pardaah : ) yaar so if one person doesn't practice Pardah he becomes a NON-Muslim :)
There are many MUSLIMS in the world who dont practice pardah are they non-muslims? Infact, when I was in Syria and Tajikstan all AGA KHANIS I meant practiced Pardah but that again is secondary.
TO BE A MUSLIM You say 'SHAHADA' Anyone who says SHAHADA is a MUSLIM. NO one can ever declare any individual a NON Muslim if he or she says SHAHADA .
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I had a friend who was an Aga Khani who drank, but he also said that it was haraam and that he knew he was sinning by doing it, and that he shouldn’t be doing it.
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I have taken some posts from the 'Ahmedi' thread that were related to Agha Khanis, so that those interested can pursue it over here. I hope we can share the different views without bashing and abusing each other, insha'Allah.
As I have said, I will try to gather evidence and will post it, insha'Allah.
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I have a lot of hear say that I can put in this thread but that will be unkind to Ismailis, maybe someone who himself is one can better explain it to others.
I had a very close friend who was Aga Khani. His family was from Hunza and their family profession was Pakistan Military. His father was a military man and he along with his two brothers went in the military all in his fathers unit. On a social level they were very kind and hospitable, but then most Pakistanis are.
As far as their beliefs are concerned, they didn't use to matam Hazrat Imam Hussain as furiously as Shias but they did hold special meetings in Muharam. They revered Agha Khan very much and had his photos everywhere but I don't think they considered him anything more than a great Imam. They called their masjid 'Jamat Khana' and contrary to common belief they don't drink or dance in their 'Jamat Khana'. A few letters I received from him since I came to the States started with 'Ya Ali Madad' on the top.
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That would not surprise me. My Ismaili friends made no secret that the greeting they use insstead of “Assalaam Alaikum” is “Ya Ali Madad”
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He always greeted me and other friend with AsalamOAlakum, and so did his family members.
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So Ahmadjee, what you said, does that Qualify any AGA KHANI to be a NON- Muslim? Specially based upon the Kalimah? Since Aga khanis as stated in their constitution firmly believe in 'Shahada'.
YES, I know that Aga Khanis dont do matam they don't do matam because they believe in their living Imam. BUT again does that qualify one NOT to be a muslim? Who is a muslim?
A muslim is anyone who say KALIMAH
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Basit Bhai, I believe everyone is a Muslim as long as they believe in the Shahada.
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I echo you ahmadjee...