Guys:
I wanted to know your opinion of Agha Khanis/Ismailis? what do you think of them and their beliefs??
This could be long debate. They say that they are muslims, but, everything that they do in their religion is so hidden and confidential, sort of like the x-files. They are weird, they do a lot of things that are un-Islamic. TOOO Communal or community oriented, therefore they dont have their own individual person. A lot more on them later on
Later on
Zman
Do not engage in useless activities.
Last time I checked P munda, you were a thait punjabi, I did'nt know that you were a Agha Khani, are you ?
"Do not engage in useless activities" .... or else....
Later on
Zman
Imranz,
Like you they also claim that they are direct discendent of Hadhrat Ali.
Zarif
Zarif,
Three points I should clarify for you:
Your point is not valid due to the fact that many Agha Khanis are the converted ones from Hinduism, hence, their mothertongue is Gujrati (for being from Gujraat). Yes, they do believe first six Imams of Shias but they differed on Seventh Imam. They considered the eldest son of Sixth Imam to be the righteous one while Main stream Shias considered the second one.
I can grant you that some of them may have their forefathers belonging to the generations of "Syeds" but that fact can't be applied to whole Jamaat.
Mere relationship of being related to, or having had forefathers who were the descedants of Hazrat Ali (a.s) doesn't imply that their belief system is valid. If the inheritance was the sole factor, we would have seen Nabuvat from Hazrat Noor's son instead of him drowning on the peak of moutain with her mother.
Imranz,
I share your views one hundred percent. I mentioned the same point of view about your claim. For me a simple and honest muslim is far far better and command more respect than dishonest so called syed.
Zarif
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Zarif,
Then why are you so hung with the notion that "Syeds" generation doesn't exist. You are fooling nobody except yourself by sticking to this notion since even your mentors/scholars/Alims admit the fact that "Syeds" do exist and its not the figment of anyone's imagination. I don't know what your knowledge capacity is, but I am sure if you have a neutral mind you would find many many live examples as well as documentary proofs in history books including the references from your Alims. But, the main point is that your mind/heart has to be neutral without any predetermined wrong conclusion about this subject which obviously your mind isn't because you carry this notion and keep propaganding it without any reasoning or logic and unfortunatley even with all those proofs that goes against your notion I don't think anyone is able to get that notion out of your mind because of two factors:
Either you dislike/hate the generation that came from Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Fatima (a.s)
You envy them for having that background.
Imranz,
I do respect Hadhrat Ali equally like other three Khulfa-e-Rashden, Bibi Fatima and Bibi Ayasha. Do You? But I have doubts about the authentication of their progeny after Hadhrat Imam Hasan and Hussain, like your doubts about Agha Khanis. I am exercising the same right of freedom of speech and thought like you are using for Agha Khanis.
Zarif
Mr. Zarif,
That is fine with me, we don't need to discuss this issue any further. Even though you have never answered my all questions or inquiries in previous postings in other threads to the fullest, I admire your persistency to your stand. As you know and have read in my previous posting that I have said so many times that one is entitled to his/her own opinion. Obviously you have given your point of view and I have mine. I thank you for your opinion for this thread and I fully comprehended your view. I would hope that since you have explained your view on this topic, you wouldn't need to reiterate it any further as far as this thread goes.
P.S. Our views are in complete contrast. Hence, I doubt that either you or me would be able to benefit from discussing them to any length. As such, I don't feel any interested or obliged to respond to your post. Hopefully, you would understand.
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AgaKhanis or Ismailis were originally
Hindu Brahmins from the Indian state
Gujarat.Even now they practise many beliefs
of Hinduism. Many of their habits are those
of Gujarati speaking Hindus. They celebrate
the Hindu festival Navaratri and participate
in Dandiya (Garba). Many still retain their
last Hindu names. They are very hard working
and like Gujarati Hindus extremely enterprising. They are more in business. They
are an extremely closed knit community. Being originally Hindus, they do not have the hatred towards Hindus and Hinduism like Urdu speaking Muslims have. They have their own places of worship called as 'Jamaatkhanas' and they offer poojas like Hindus. AgaKhanis are mainly in India, some in Pakistan. Many have migrated to West. It's rumored that entire Aga Khani community would like to move out of troubles Pakistan and move to West especially UK, USA and Canada.
anupap68,
Thanks for providing origin of Agha Khani. A number of Agha Khanis I have met, they think that they are Muslims and their Imam Prince Karim Agha Khan is a descendent of Hadhrat Ali.
I consider your information as correct unless a real Agha Khani contradict it.
imranz,
Answer to your all questions is in my earlier post. I do not want to be personal and pass remarks which might create more embarrassment for you. You are right, I would not address you further on the topic on which our thinking is 180 degrees apart.
Zarif
Thanks everyone for responding to the topic. I do anticipate more intellectual and factual information from people not just the word of mouth.
Zarif,
Your responses are no embrassment to me as they have no effects on my judgement or way of thinking. what you have gotten from Agha Khanis you have met is true that their Imam is from that generation but again, it doesn't apply that agha khanis are, anupap68 said it right, that's make your first statement in this thread invalid, i.e,
"Imranz,
Like you they also claim that they are direct discendent of Hadhrat Ali."
Where obviously you were generally speaking of "Aghakhanis" as whole not their "Imam" who was not even the subject of this thread. I hope this clarification seems very clear.
Agha Khanis are purely Non-Muslims. There is no doubt about this. I am very much amazed that why they were not declared non-muslims by Government of Pakistan like Ahmadis. The only reason which can be infered from facts is that, Agha Khanis hold power in major business areas and have role in economy of Pakistan unlike Ahmadis.
Why they were not declared non-muslims ?
Very simple, the govt didn't want to loose
all the $$$ comming from the Agha Khan.