NYA i have made some/few friends with people who are agha khani..they are nice people and everything...can any one answer my previous question please? I really need to confirm it...or i ll go to some jaamat-khani next year and find out...and one more thing does the marriage happen like nikah or the agha khan just hands on ismaeli's daughter to the other ismaeli's son? just looking at them? helloo
Jaawan
Till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**©
Jawa'an,
I question your intent and your lack of intelligence so apparent in your questions:
"Okk is it true that...agha khani people...on Jaamat-khani nightt turn off all the lights and JUST GET DOWN WITH bussiness any women? Like they turn off the lights in a room and just have sex with any women you get hold of and doesnt matter if its ur mom or sister helloo is that HUMANE thing true? I heard it from MANY people!"
Since Ismaili women & men pray together and Ismaili women are leaders and, equal to man - Jawa'an here states that our place of worship is actually a 'whore-house' where as he says (worth repeating):
"Like they turn off the lights in a room and just have sex with any women you get hold of and doesnt matter if its ur mom or sister helloo..."
Meditation or Bandagi is an important element of Ismaili faith. Meditation or Bandagi are performed, in many situations, but on a daily basis between 4AM - 5AM early morning after which the Ismaili salat or Du'a is recited.
During Meditation that may take place during day or night, lights inside the Jamatkhana is usually dimmed during the period of meditation or bandagi only.
Jawa'an also asks:
"thing does the marriage happen like nikah or the agha khan just hands on ismaeli's daughter to the other ismaeli's son?"
Marriages have the Islamic nikkak ceremony; Marriage-minded couples will tend to accelerate their marriage plans when the Imam-e-Zama'an (Aga Khan) visits so their new life may start with the blessings of their Imam-e-Zama'n.
OOHOO LOOKS LIKE I caused some major Emotional disturbance" here now no need to get offended buddy read the damn thing over and doesnt it say " i heard it" soo i heard it just like i wrote it...if i was to made my own assumptions i would have written with different tone...
your job was to tell me if thats is true...take it easy..no need to get ugly here...keep the animal inside you inside...i have a problem with cruelty to animals..and dont wana deal with you...soo if your are still angry just stick that anger somewhere behind you buddy! good luck may allah bless you with what ever you do! ;)
again before you go babbling and raving and ranting about some thing you dont understand read the thing over.
Jaawan
Till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**©
Jaawan,
Tell me one thing how much sense does the phrase
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agha khani people...on Jaamat-khani nightt turn off all the lights and JUST GET DOWN WITH bussiness any women? Like they turn off the lights in a room and just have sex with any women you get hold of and doesnt matter if its ur mom or sister...
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makes to you? Does it sound believable to the degree where you won't be sure if it is true or not? Does it really sound something that you can't figure out on your own and need some insider to know? No really, does it?
Roman bahiiiiiiii i know what your sayingg man..listen i heard it that way ok and i didnt wanted to change it...soo i posted what i heard ? you want me to re-phrase that?
Jaawan
Till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**©
{ *Come on 2Pak you know better than calling others' religious figures names.
[This message has been edited by Roman (edited April 17, 2000).]
:)i am really sorry guys and girls i could not write back cuz i am out of internet hours(still am)
wowyi; i would certainly not like to debate with somebody whose religion does not even teach him/her "ikhlaq", which every relegion teaches including Ismaili's. well that means that u haven't learned anything from your relegion, u have only learnt things which benefits u and which increase your ego, not which your relegion has been trying to teach you. ok if not your relegion your education should have taught u that. hey dear don't mind what i said before, or know. i never meant or to hurt anybody or show disrespect to any faith. i am sorry if i hurt your feelings, and if you r repentent on what u said i forgive u. u very conveniently passed over all the positives i said about ismailis. no i never tried to call u a kafir and no "muslim" calls shias Kafir. my offer for debate is still on if u r willing to be polite and open minded which means respecting other people's ideas. but i don't know when i am going to be on net again.
Jawaan all that u said is only propoganda not only against any sect but actually against Islam. nothing like this ever happens.
take care everybody.
"One of the greatest victories u can gain over somene is to beat him at politeness."
"For him who has perception, a mere sign is enough. For him who does not heed a thousand explanations are not enough."
[This message has been edited by Mohammad Ali (edited April 20, 2000).]
but Roman it's true. He's marries all these european supermodels and I seriously doubt that they convert to ismailism.
Grab your glocks when you see 2PaK
Call the cops when you see 2PaK
So, now 2Pak says that the Imam-e-Zaman of the Ismailis - the Mowla of (i)Ghadeer-e-Khum and (ii) The two weighty things as mentioned in the Quran, takes on a wife who converts to Islam but not to Ismailism!
That is like saying Imam Shah Karim Aga Khan prayed in a Sunni Mosque so that makes him a Sunni!
Lest you forget - Imam Shah Karim Aga Khan is also an ambassador and champion of Islam committed to unity and well-being of the muslim ummah.
Below are excerpts of The Imam Aga Khan's wedding:
His Highness Imam Shah Karim Aga Khan, spiritual leader of the world's Shia Ismaili Moslems, married German-born Princess Gabriele zu Liningen at his country home outside Paris on Saturday, his office said. It was the second marriage for both.
Princess zu Leiningen is currently a consultant at UNESCO, and the Aga Khan has requested the Begum to continue, for the time being, her work which focuses on the promotion of the status of women and gender equality. Her interest in Islam arose from her work at UNESCO, and she was also influenced by the work of the world-renowned German Islamic scholar Dr. Annemarie Schimmel.
On her conversion to Islam, she and the Aga Khan chose for her the Muslim name Inaara, derived from the Arabic word Nur'', meaninglight''.
Imam Shah Karim's first marriage was to Lady James Crichton-Stuart, later known as Begum Salimah.
It's the same thing when Jinnah married Rutten.
Agha Khan's daughter married some French (not Agha Khani), is he a Agha Khani now or a Christian.
Here is an interesting news item which was reported by BBC yesterday.
Tuesday, 25 April, 2000, 13:14 GMT 14:14 UK
Saudi unrest blamed on 'sorcerer'
Saudi Arabia has blamed unrest in the southwestern province of Najran, in which tribal sources say dozens have died, on the arrest of a foreign "sorcerer".
The authorities said one policeman and two civilians were killed in clashes on Sunday after demonstrators protesting against the arrest marched on the home of the Najran governor, Prince Mishaal ibn Saud.
But in Yemen a leader of the Yam tribe, whose branch in Najran is thought to be at the centre of the protests, said more than 40 people died in clashes, after the security forces cracked down on local Ismaili Muslims.
Ashoura
Speaking on condition of anonymity, the tribal leader, quoted by Associated Press from the Yemen capital San'a, said the trouble started after the Mutawa, or religious police, had stormed Ismaili mosques, confiscated religious books and manuscripts and arrested three senior clergymen.
Another report, attributed to the London-based Saudi opposition activist Sa'd Faqih, said Najran had been tense for more than a week after Ismailis had publicly celebrated Ashoura, the Shi'a festival commemorating the martyrdom of Imam Hussein in the 7th century.
The reports coincide with increasing international criticism of alleged widespread human rights violations and persecution of religious minorities in Saudi Arabia.
Illegal practice
The official Saudi Press Agency gave a very different version of what had happened, stressing that Ismaili Muslims enjoyed total freedom of worship in Saudi Arabia.
The agency said security forces entered a house in Najran where a sorcerer lived. One of those present in the house shot at the security men.
"The sorcerer was arrested not because he is Ismaili but because he was involved in an illegal practice in the kingdom," the agency quoted Prince Mishaal as saying.
Correspondents say healing with talismans or using amulets or charms to ward off the evil eye and affect events are all considered sorcery in Saudi Arabia.
Such practices are banned in the kingdom which ruled by members of the fundamentalist Wahhabi sect of Sunni Islam.
The agency said the policeman was killed when demonstrators began shooting at the governor's house after the earlier incident.
Unqoute
And here is the Clarification from Aga Khan's Office.
Quoted from Daily Dawn.
Clashes in Saudi city: Aga Khan's clarification
PARIS, April 25: The Aga Khan has denied that members of his community inhabit the Saudi city of Najran, where a policeman was killed in clashes with protesters on Monday.
"We do not know about the presence of any Shiite Nizari Ismaili Muslim community in Najran," a statement from the Aga Khan's office said, sent to AFP from his home in Gouvieux, near Paris.
The statement said there were several Muslim communities across the world who recognized Hazrat Ismail, an imam of the eighth century, as being their spiritual leader at the time.
"These communities have also, at different times, been described as Ismailis," the statement said.-AFP
Hmmm i'd hate to bring this up but VERY trustee of mine told me that 10th of moharam night those things do happen. I dont i was told me my REALLY best friend whom i trust..he has come to known it from different ismaili friends of his...its only ONE night in the year and when you got that religious center...they shut the lights and mingle with each other...
You can call it parapoganda so you will not be humiliated...i mmean if any human would be doing such humane acts would try to conceal it..thats alright thats human nature...anyways god knows what right or wrong and remmeber im not applying here to no one...im just passing and confirming what i heard..soo dont come out bursting in anger.see ya may god help u
Jaawan
Till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**©
Hi,
Just as the name suggests, I converted to Islam from Ismailism. I agree with bubble buster, and what he/she says about the faith. The Ismailis are masking their faith from other muslims, because they are told to do so.
I know a lot of Ismailis who have converted to Sunni Islam. They have done it for the same reasons - discrepancies in the faith, made up lineage of the Imams, prostration to Aga Khan. Anyone who understands what Islam is about , will in no way be in accord with Ismailism.
The young generation has a lot of insecurity about the post Aga Khan holds, and they only think of him as a physical leader, and not GOD, the way the older generation think of him.
Well, they are in a deep hole, and cannot see the light no matter how much you try. It is very hard. I speak from experience.
TTYL
Hmmm i'd hate to bring this up but VERY trustee of mine told me that 10th of moharam night those things do happen. I dont i was told me my REALLY best friend whom i trust..he has come to known it from different ismaili friends of his...its only ONE night in the year and when you got that religious center...they shut the lights and mingle with each other... You can call it parapoganda so you will not be humiliated...i mmean if any human would be doing such humane acts would try to conceal it..thats alright thats human nature...anyways god knows what right or wrong and remmeber im not applying here to no one...im just passing and confirming what i heard..soo dont come out bursting in anger.see ya may god help u
Jaawan
Till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**©
That was absolutely ridiculous. You are welcome to ask any of "converts" who have emigrated from Ismailism to another faith if such a thing happens. Even those who want to bash Ismailism and Aga Khanis would never distribute such propaganda.
Jinnah was Aga Khani
as far as i know, he was not agha khani. it was a rumor, maybe MAYBE his wife ratti jinnah was agha khani.. i m not sure..
Re: Agha khan/agha khani people/ismaeli people????
are they Muslims?
Dear JAwaan,
I would have to agree with somehowcollide, when I say that the one night light shut off and mingling between sexes does not happen. The Ismailis in Africa, as well as Canada, do not celebrate the 10th of Muharram. If anything of the sort would happpen in India and Pakistan, or Arab countries, I cannot say.
It is ridiculous too, to even consider something like that happening in Islamic countries. Bottom line In all my years of being an Ismaili, we never celebrated Muharam, and neither did we have this light turning off form of socialization.
Whoever said that is pulling a fast one on you.
Re: Agha khan/agha khani people/ismaeli people????
it is widely believed that ismailies got their name as a misspelling of the nickname they used to have, i.e. smileys which was given to them because of their friendly style of preaching.
that is not true.