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Originally posted by The Old Man:
I don't understand the relevance or importance of a Jesus talking as a baby.
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Ibrahim says: Hi Old Man ,
If you did not understand the relevance of Jesus talking in the cradle (or even as a baby ) . It would mean you have not understood the “LAW” as ordained and as practiced by the Jews. (at that time frame)
Read thsi...was written by me ages ago.
His Birth: Who's birth are we talking about ?, let's get his name right first, in Greek texts, he is called " Iesus", in Arabic Texts, he is called "Esa" in the 20th century in English we call him "Jesus". Although we are very fond of having nick names in our current generation. Adding or Changing someone’s given name (degrading) is condemned in the scriptures, as such if we use any other name than the given name of a person, it would be an error on our part. It is also believed that in Hebrew he would be called "Joshua", here you have to understand the letter "J" does not exist in the Hebrew language as such this would be another error. I prefer to use the Arabic rendering (Esa) as Arabic is closer to Aramaic, than Greek.
In the current Bible you can read about his birth as written:
By the author of the Matthew's Gospel in the following, chapter 1: verses 18 to 24.
By the author of the Luke’s Gospel in the following, chapter 1: verses 26 to 35.
The authors of Mark and John Gospels, have no record of his birth.
Everyone in our current generation had heard about the miraculous birth of Christ being his mother was a virgin, which is also confirmed in the scriptures. ** Before we go into details, we need to consider, how could a women, prove, she was a virgin, which would be accepted by the public? **
Would you accept if a women, be she a daughter or a sister, came and told you , that she is pregnant / getting pregnant / will become pregnant, but no one ever touched her or she had no relations with anyone. This might be too difficult to believe, and generally today, no one will be bothered if a women gets pregnant out of wedlock, because ** in our current generation, adultery is the " in thing " and propagated by the mass media, actors and actress. ** Would you honestly believe her ? , honestly speaking, we won't and we believe , most people will also agree with us.
But , at the time of Christ, situations were not like today, ** the Law was applicable and adultery was a serious crime, as such anyone being pregnant out of wedlock, would be condemned/stoned to death. **
Now, Mary (peace be upon her) was indeed pure and she did get pregnant, (out of wedlock) as a virgin, ** but how can she escape and how could she claim/prove, she was a virgin, even, to her own family. ** If we accepted the passage written in Matthews Gospel, that Joseph had married her, than automatically the whole world would have to call the new Child (son of Joseph) and you cannot consider her a virgin no more, which is not the case.
** Hold your horses, do not get any wrong ideas yet, let us now look at what the Qur'an says: **
Chapter 19:16, She (Mary) withdrew to a place in the east.
Ibrahim says: meaning she hid herself (ran away) from all her relations and associates. (normal human being actions, would be to hide it)
Chapter 19:17 to 20, tells us she allowed no (one) man to see her and remained chaste.
Chapter 19:20, Appoint him as a sign unto men
Ibrahim says: (reveals the purpose as to why Esa, was created)
Chapter 19:22, She conceived him (Esa)
Chapter 19:23 to 26, reveals how, she had suffered, alone and fed only with dates and water, within the place she had enclosed herself.
Ibrahim says: (this verses further, reveals the time of Christ birth, i.e. in summer and not in winter and also reveals the place was not a manger)
Chapter 19:27 reveals, she returned to her family, after she had given birth to Esa.
Chapter 19:28, reveals, immediate people's reactions, of slander, accusations and condemnations
Ibrahim says: ( a sure thing at that time frame)
Chapter 19: 29, reveals how she saved herself from the onslaught of the public.
Chapter 19: 30 reveals the First miracle of Christ,
Ibrahim says: ** ( He talked and answered all questions put forward by the public and proclaimed to the whole community the purpose of his birth and thus saving his mother from the slander and sure death) **
So, as you can see, ** Mary was established as a virgin, because Christ was able to talk as a baby, if not we will have lost, Mary and her son Esa to the law of the land. **
So if the magi (Zoroastrian priests) had heard about him and came to pay tribute and seek advice from Christ, it can be clearly understood, they came ( from far and wide) ** because here was a baby, who had all the answers and had started preaching from birth. **
Indeed Esa son of Mary, had been created as a sign for all of mankind, who had wanted a sign from the CREATOR and Esa indeed was sent to confirm the truth of HIS existence.