After the cruel murder of Othman ‘ra (I call him Martyr) there was a panic in Medina. The miscreants, who were outsiders, had full control of the town. The insurgents belonging to the party of Ibn-Sabaa who attacked Othman were two thousand strong. Besides these there were some simple men who sympathized with the miscreants. In view of the disorder that prevailed, some notable Companion of the Holy Prophet 'sa approached Ali and asked him to assume the office of the next Caliph. But Ali(ra) was very unwilling and said, “Appoint someone else and let me work as his adviser and minister”.
But the people insisted and said that there was no man better suited for the post. So Ali ‘ra yielded to their request but insisted that proceedings in this respect must not be held behind closed doors and that the general consensus of the Muslims should be sought. The Muslims of Medina gathered in the Nabwi Mosque and at the persistent request of the Muhajirin and the Ansar, all present at the time took the oath of allegiance at hadhrat Ali’s hand. Ali was thus elected the fourth lawful Successor to the Holy Prophet ‘sa.
According to the dissenters who had caused the upheaval against Othman, only Ali was the lawful claimant to the Khilafat. Ali the three previous Caliphs were usurpers and tyrants in their opinion. Let us examine this theory, and see what Ali himself thought about this obnoxious point of view.
**Ali’s Vindication about Abu Bakr ‘ra, **
Ibn-i-Asakar has mentioned that Imam Hasan, the eldest son of Ali, once told him that, "during his Caliphate Ali once visited Basrah, and Quais bin ‘Ibadah and Ibn-i-Kua’ requested him to throw some light on the point whether it was correct that the Holy Prophet 'sa had, in his bequest, nominated him (Ali) as his successor since no evidence could be more authentic than his own.
In another sermon, which he delivered to his army when marching towards Basra, Ali Said,
There are number of narrations which proves that Hadhrat Ali’(ra) always praise all the caliphs. It is the later deviations caused by the infidels (Kharijities), which leads to the concept of such erroneous beliefs and factions.
Beside all these references the most important question which comes to mind is that, when Hadhrat Ali(ra) took the oath of allegiance (ba’it) at hands of the former three Caliphs, then who has given the right to discard them?
Shias have no right to accuse and reject them deceitfully. This is not only against their own doctrine but also an insult to those pious personalities.
Thats all I want to say..
wa’salam
[PS: I am not saying that we oppose Ali(ra), in fact we rank him the honor and respect, he deserves.]
[This message has been edited by Zalim (edited August 09, 2000).]
’a11shah, ahl-e-sunnah, pathan bahi, sudhar asif, Lamba and others
Please read this post.. see what Hadhrat Ali(ra) holds in his view and word about Abu bakar siddiq(sa) - The first Caliph of the Islamic World. The person who is the known as yaar-e-ghaar, the person who sacrificed all his life for the welfare, protection and propagation of Islam and when he died he was laid to rest next to the Holy Prophet’s(sa) in masjid-e-Nabwi.
Whatever you are saying is nothing but illogical and way far from the original scenarios. Mixing and Mingling the test is not a good practice. All your stories are made up by outsiders, which with the passage of time were integrated and blended with the actual teachings and thus this is where you stand today. See how the generations are destroyed?
If you want to find the right path, ask Allah, without his guidance you are will be lost.. that’s the message given in the last verse of Sura Ankaboot. Surely He is most Beneficent the most Merciful.
Allah says: “wal lazeena jahadu fena la nahde yanna hum subulana wa in nal laha lama al’mohsayneen… And as for those who strive to meet US - WE will, surely, guide them in OUR ways. And, verily, ALLAH is with those who do good.”......
Let us both pray that who ever is in the wrong is guided to wards the right path. For Allah guides who he will.
You see the thing is that the traditions you have mentioned are from a book we do not accept as authentic. And therefore to prove anything from this can not stand up. We also have many books which you will not accept which give a different view however we can not present these as proof.
The proofs we give to prove our point are therefore all taken from books that you accept as authentic. Surely this is the only logical way forward.
I have however taken th reference down of this book and will do everything I can to find out what our view on this is. An interesting book you may wish to read is 'A Probe into the History of Hadith' by Allamah Murtaza al-Askari. However we are gain at the same gateway that you wil probably not acept what he is saying.
may Allah guide us all.
One who takes lessons from the events of life, gets vision, one who acquires vision becomes wise and one who attains wisdom achieves knowledge.
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Originally posted by Lamba:
*Let us both pray that who ever is in the wrong is guided to wards the right path. For Allah guides who he will.
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To my understading thru various Islamic books, Tafaaseers and Lectures of renowned scholors, the concept that Allah guides those who he will is ambiguous and misinterpreted!
What I believe is that Allah guides those who want to know the "truth". The person him/herself has to be committed in search of the right path.In other words Allah guides those who he will if they are looking for the "righteous path" (Siraat-e-Mustaqeem).
**Sitaaron Pay Jo Daltay Hain Kamand!**
[This message has been edited by Shaheen (edited August 10, 2000).]
I am glad that you're beginning to see the 'light'. May Allah 'guide' you to the truth!
It's not too late to realize that to follow 7th century sunnah written by bukhari, muslims, etc and to follow it in the 21st century & forever is to make Islam into a joke.
Shia you are more hostile towards sunni or whatever moslem than kafir who worship idols or christians who dont BELIEVE in MOHOMMED about whom you are voceferously differing on minor hx difference of account.Tell me is a moslem who believes in mohommed but agrees that omar didnt do any thing wrong ,is he atleast better than rest of the world that denies your religion altogether.So next time dont go running to kafir ,india about differences with us or to the west about horror story of how moslems are bad towards shia b/c mr.11shah no body in the world is more close to you than moslems & less yoy increase the number of points of differences the better for all of us.
Its like we forget that we are the same tree & one branch is foolishly working to cut the tree total b/c your mulla want a separate platform of shia ,seperate mosque,sepertate holiday,seperate everthing like pakistan was carved out of india,Some time i wonder was it the shia in jinnah which had so much seperateness isolationist embedded in this schism that caused partition or atleast formation of moslem league??i may be wrong but this shia difference bs needs to be MINMISED & not accentuated by two consecutive threads on the same forum!!
I try with the best of my efforts not to be hostile. I am extremel sorry if anyone thinks that i appear that way.
Zalim - A thought which occured to me is that this piece of history you have presented can not be true as it is contradictory to a number of authentic (accepted by both sides) traditions. Eg - Ghadeer and Dawat-e-Zulasheera. What is your view on these pieces of history?
One who takes lessons from the events of life, gets vision, one who acquires vision becomes wise and one who attains wisdom achieves knowledge.