It’s been 9 years for America/NATO in Afghanistan and still there are no signs of victory. The Soviets were in Afghanistan for 9-10 years, they were defeated.. Do you think America holds the same fate?
**According **to them: In the past 10 months, more U.S. military deaths have occurred than in the first five years of the war. More than 430 of the U.S. dead have been killed since January 2009.
Why should America expect that it can go into Afghanistan and win the people over? The Soviet Union couldn’t do it. Britain couldn’t do it.
They aren't winning. Everybody can see that which is not good for Afghanistan. Afghans finally have the ability to lead the lives they want, if the Taliban come back it will be hell for them.
They aren't winning. Everybody can see that which is not good for Afghanistan. Afghans finally have the ability to lead the lives they want, if the Taliban come back it will be hell for them.
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Let the Afghan fight out the taliban element by themselves, lets not interfere in their business.. as of now, if i understand it right, Afghans are also pissed on America's presence in their country, anyone would be... so the first part of the long-term solution is to with-draw the American army from the country and region..
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Its fun, but you get banned :D
And yes the Afghans do not like the Americans there. They want them out and want to live their own lives in peace. The problem is that if the Taliban do rejoin 90% of the commanders will rejoin the Taliban out of fear and desire for more money, power and weapons.
It's been 9 years for America/NATO in Afghanistan and still there are no signs of victory. The Soviets were in Afghanistan for 9-10 years, they were defeated.. Do you think America holds the same fate?
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Without a shadow of a doubt (-) minus the spin.. The moment US finds good Taliban....
On June 7th this will become the longest war in US history. 104 months (almost 9 years) to be precise. Soviets lost around 14,000 soldiers in about 10 years whereas US have lost about 1,000 so far.
As far is victory is concerned (if there is such a thing) America is not in a position to claim victory. Last year was the deadliest years for US forces. And it looks like Obama is just getting started. They'll there for a long while.
Well, it all depends on what the term victory means to you.
For some people, killing few thousand American soldiers is a victory. However I somehow do not believe that USA government care much about these less privileged kids, large chunk of whom belong to poor states such as Alabama and other places. Will blowing up a few tanks and a few helicopters or military vehicle will mean "defeat" for the USA? I do not think so again.
The real reasons for the for the US invading Afghanistan, to me, are mainly Economical. It is the control of the Central Asia and Caspian region that is abundant with natural resources. As long as USA has got control over that, they have achieved their objective- at the little cost of a few thousand poor kids and a bit of scrap metal.
Its obvious America and company have lost big time… its easy to sum it up in a poetic way for generations to come…
200,000 Coalition troops went to kill a few hundred hard line Islamist extremists.., (Taliban) Which as we all remember were armed and formed at the Americans behest.
Of which the most sophisticated armies went out with tanks, helicopter gunships, jet fighters, heavy bombers not to mention billions of puonds and dollars.
The opposition posessed no tanks,planes,choppers or anywhere near as much funds… however they still own the country.
We saw the Coalition go in to finish the Taliban… thier still there but the Coalition is a name only.
Well, it all depends on what the term victory means to you.
For some people, killing few thousand American soldiers is a victory. However I somehow do not believe that USA government care much about these less privileged kids, large chunk of whom belong to poor states such as Alabama and other places. Will blowing up a few tanks and a few helicopters or military vehicle will mean "defeat" for the USA? I do not think so again.
"Victory" will be considered complete control of Afghanistan by them or their 'partner', however we do not see that happening anytime soon.
The real reasons for the for the US invading Afghanistan, to me, are mainly Economical. It is the control of the Central Asia and Caspian region that is abundant with natural resources. As long as USA has got control over that, they have achieved their objective- at the little cost of a few thousand poor kids and a bit of scrap metal.
We can come up with different reasons and the reason you mentioned is probably one of the strongest ones, but 'victory' will be looked at in the context of the reasons they handed out to media outlets repeated couple of thousand times around the world.
They aren't winning. Everybody can see that which is not good for Afghanistan. Afghans finally have the ability to lead the lives they want, if the Taliban come back it will be hell for them.
I am remembering the words of Ahmed Rashid the author of Decent into Chaos & The Taliban ... that US should work towards nation building.
I think US-led NATO contribute enough, definitely it will take much more time compare to Iraq because Afghanistan was already torn into pieces under Taliban and Russia-led governments.
But one thing is for sure, Pakistan policy towards Taliban's did take at least 60 degree turn if not 90.
US/Pakistan/Iran/India/China/Russia/Saudi Arabia - must sit down and resolves their problems on table instead of using proxies !
The Soviets were in Afghanistan for 9-10 years, they were defeated.. Do you think America holds the same fate?
As much as we love to believe that it was MUJAHIDEEN who fought Soviets, it was USA who was fighting Soviets so USSR had to retreat.
Its not Vietnam where US lost 58000 soldiers. USA causality so far is not even 6000 in Afghanistan. There is no comparison in weapon technology between Talibans and US forces. And surprisingly, there is no evidence of any green clothed, long beard old man on white horse visiting the battlefield this time although it happened so often during soviet war
"Victory" will be considered complete control of Afghanistan by them or their 'partner', however we do not see that happening anytime soon.
Well, they are controlling what they came to to control. Complete control of Afghanistan is something that they never wanted anyway. Half of Afghanistan is patrolled by countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Lithuania etc. All these countries in return get to have a bite in the cake.
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We can come up with different reasons and the reason you mentioned is probably one of the strongest ones, but 'victory' will be looked at in the context of the reasons they handed out to media outlets repeated couple of thousand times around the world.
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Well, most if not all of the popular media is corporate owned and therefore the money talks there. Remember, they went into Afghanistan to "smoke the bad guys out of the caves and kill them". Not too difficult given the real bad guys are on their payroll or have been on their payroll anyway. They just need to smoke a couple of guys out of their caves and BBQ them. The popular media can easily package Afghanistan as a "success" overnight.
Well, they are controlling what they came to to control. Complete control of Afghanistan is something that they never wanted anyway. Half of Afghanistan is patrolled by countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Lithuania etc. All these countries in return get to have a bite in the cake.
Well, most if not all of the popular media is corporate owned and therefore the money talks there. Remember, they went into Afghanistan to "smoke the bad guys out of the caves and kill them". Not too difficult given the real bad guys are on their payroll or have been on their payroll anyway. They just need to smoke a couple of guys out of their caves and BBQ them. The popular media can easily package Afghanistan as a "success" overnight.
I agree with you and believe that as well. I am only talking about words coming out of horse's mouth. According to their words they were here to capture and control terrorism, establish democracy and hand it over to Afghans.... only bits and pieces have emerged from that, nothing concrete, so its a failure per their original/actual claim, what happens in the background is a different story altogether.
Its obvious America and company have lost big time… its easy to sum it up in a poetic way for generations to come…