Re: Afghan woman beaten to death for allegedly burning Quran
^^ I have read the news now. What makes you say that the mob was not mullah of a local masjid?
Re: Afghan woman beaten to death for allegedly burning Quran
Well it could have been anybody. What makes u say it was a mullah. There is NO mention off a mullah. So how u conclude a mullah I cited the crowd.
Sure a mullah COULD have incited. Or any other person. Or maybe the folks are just religious extemeists. Probably the last scenatio.
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fake mullahs = religious extremists
Re: Afghan woman beaten to death for allegedly burning Quran
religion - opium of the masses.
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Why do u keep coming back to the fake mullah explanation. The article simply mentions the crowd burnt her and then threw her in the water.
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The amount or denial is dishonest. This is not one person. It is a mob. A mob drunk on religious passion. Recognize it. And condemn it.
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“Coming back”… “fake mullah explanation”??? What’s all that??? I am not here to give an ‘explanation’ to you or anyone else mr. whatever. I write my independent views and thoughts on any situation, incidents or just about anything, NOT influenced by yours, pir faqeers or anyone else’s whims’.
And WHAT “DENIAL”??? What are you basically trying to imply??? I do not understand what your motive is??? It is clear that you dont like my independent views. But it is not clear to me what it is exactly that you’re trying to make me say or want to read written by me??
Unless it is you and others behind provoking the fake mullahs and his mob and expecting from people like me to say something specific about it on which you want to start a new argument only to portray ISLAM as the NEGATIVE and EVIL religion followed by all the EVIL ones, I have no clue what ‘denial’ you’re referring to. I do not understand your twisted mentality hence do not know where you’re coming from. The only thing I do notice you doing on these forums is very subtly psychologically attack the good followers of ISLAM, advocate homosexuality, disobedience of parents and other ills of the society which take humans away from spirituality.
I dont know if you have any other motive through attacking muslims for no reason. If you want me to say something specific which serves your motive, say it loud and clear instead of going around in circles quoting my posts and asking me questions the anwers of which are already clear. If it is not your habit to be straight forward in your words, stop attacking me.
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lol@take humans away from spirituality… on a thread where “spiritual” peeps just lynched a woman.
there is no fake mullah, just a real one who incited a bunch of religious simpletons to murder a woman. denial is support, sady je.
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^^ queer again… where is the ‘denial’ that you speak of? Really what denial do you see coming from my post??? What am I denying?
And seriously who told you murdering ANY human is’ spiritual’ or that murderers have ANYTHING to do with spirituality??? Did I say that or any other muslim on this board or in real life? They are simply murderers whoever have murdered her regardless of the murderers’ religion. Why is it so hard for you guys to understand what Im saying??? There is severe communication problem I think. Why are you looking at my posts from a 180 degree angel? I am honestly trying to understand where you guys are coming from to the point that I feel that the intent of the questioner here is not honest.
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When I say ‘fake mullah’, I do not mean somebody who is ‘pretending’ to be a muslim but in reality is not. Although there have been atleast 3 such cases of which I know in small towns of Pakistan which were not reported by the media. In those cases the mullahs/Imams of some famous mosques of small towns of Pakistan turned out to be nonmuslim indians. Since it was not reported by the media so cant provide links to the news but here with this news, that is not what I mean.
In this post of mine, the context of the term ‘fake mullah’ which Im using is that one’s attitudes can be totally against the teachings of Islam but they still are some mullahs or imams at mosques. That is what I mean by that term. Maybe that is where the communication problem was. Hope it is clear now.
So, by ‘fake mullah’, I did not mean someone who has acquired the identity of a muslim imam and incites the locals to join him in his evil despite the fact that there have been such ‘fake’ mullahs in Pakistan. But in this thread by fake mullah I meant someone can be a muslim and still be evil. Being a muslim is no guarantee of one’s righteousness or spirituality. That’s common sense (If that is how my posts were being misread).
Re: Afghan woman beaten to death for allegedly burning Quran
Read the story again. There was no one person who incited anyone here. The mullah incitement was the circa Nov 14 in I think Lahore.
Thus Afghanistan incident was the CROWD going nuts.
Word to the wise - CONDEMNING this incident is not tantamount to condemning Islam. Where the heck did u jump to conclusion.
The rest of ur post has the usual attack on homosexuality. Even though that is not even the topic. That speaks more abt u.
As for my motives - that is paranoia on your part.
You are certainly entitled to your “independent opinion” but not your own facts. I was simply pointing out that in THIS incident no mullah was mentioned. That is all.
By the way, a clever tactic bringing in the evil 5 dollars as probable cause - used to pay the fake mullah. It is indeed easier to cook up such fantasy scenarios. Rather than conclude the OBVIOUS - that the “religious” mob was the reason. Not just one fake mullah. And certainly not the 5 dollars.
Funny when violence erupts from religious followers, words such as incite and injured are used. Poor babies. They are the victims.
As for what I want you to say - that is not my business. If I see something ridiculous I will point it out if I choose to. In a professional manner.
Have a nice day.
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So now you’re implying that Im ‘cleverly’ trying to ‘defend’ those murderers?
If anyone is PARANOID around here, that is you. So your brainwashed, paranoid mind can assume whatever you want from my posts but I dont term criminals and murderers as ‘victims’. It’s a pity you make such assumptions about muslims and Pakistanis.
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haha that was funny. and this is the kind of stuff you believe in. LOL!
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^^ No I dont find anything ‘funny’ about it because that info was from an authenticated source, not indian media. So yes, I trust my source. None from those ‘imams’ (under cover agents) were on the job for less than 3 years. I dont find it funny that a large number of Pakistanis in each of those small towns were praying behind imams who were not even muslims (uncircumcised) as was discovered later.
Plenty of similar agents in FATA during the enitre mushrraf rule. For a Pakistani, there can be nothing funny about it.
Re: Afghan woman beaten to death for allegedly burning Quran
and what is this “authenticated” source of yours? jameela aunty checked mullahs for circumcision and informed you?
Re: Afghan woman beaten to death for allegedly burning Quran
The New York Times has a detailed story of what happened.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/30/world/asia/farkhunda-woman-killed-in-kabul-transformed-from-pariah-to-martyr.html
The unfortunate martyred lady went to a shrine/mazhar and was horrified about what was going on since it seemed like shirk to her (the usual mullahs selling taweez). She went home that night and had a heated discussion with her family and vowed to go back to educate the people there.
The next morning she went to the shrine and preached there for a few hours about how the practices going on there were un-Islamic. After a while one of the shrine keepers was concerned that visitor numbers were going down (her preaching was having an effect).
So he came out with a few burned pages of the Quran and told the crowd that she had burned it.
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Any of them arrested?
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30 arrests so far including the guy who made the blasphemy allegation, and the police who ignored the case at first are getting punished.
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I made NO assumptions about muslims. And about Pakistan. I simply stated there is NO mention of a mullah inciting the crowd here - fake or otherwise. I also stated you shoukd read the article. For the article does mention a DIFFERENT incident somewhere in Pakistan where a mullah incited the crowd
So ur assigning this to a fake mullah applies to the incident in Pakistan. NOT to the one on Afghanistan.
Glad we got that squared away.
Or did we?
Re: Afghan woman beaten to death for allegedly burning Quran
I just read the NY times article. Per this article the shrine keeper accused her of burning the holy book. So to that extent we can Sagres a mullah incited the crowd.
But here is the kicker - the handful of people present turned into a mob. What made them do such a heinous act? What made religious followers become murderers.
Till we answer the question even if she did burn the book did she deserve this we will get nowhere. Blame not just the shrine keeper. Blame the crowd. And what is it about burning a book that turns them to murderers.