Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
So do you agree with partition of India or do you beliveve in united Hindustan like Nehru?
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
I don't my friend. My point is this, that had India been united, and Pakistan not created, the struggle would have been directed towards India. Unity of Pashtuns(afghans) thats it.
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exactly the point is not india-pak or united hindustan BUT Durand line is a BRITISH thing and there are no reason why free local people of today would respect borders drawn centuries ago by their former masters:D
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
Thank you parissenor, but they didn't control us, they managed t buy off some triator pashtuns, adn unforetunately divide us. Pashtuns(afghans) as usual because of their disunity, were taken advantage of by the British. I have to give them props, they were a formiddable foe, I mean we whoped them in the Anglo-Afghan wars, but boy did they get us back with the durand line.
P.S. Parisenoor khorai are you not pakistani?
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
yeah that’s why they won over hindustan as well:D
DASBZ_05: aw za pakistani ne yama:halo:
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
Majority of the world's borders where made by colonial powers. Even in Europe, many borders are arbitrary and divide ethnicities among different countries. This is nothing new. Had frontier gandhi and Nehru succeeded in stopping Pakistan from being created, he would still have to remain within the borders of India. As can be seen in Kashmir and India's domination over other princely states, the hope for a Pashtunistan in untied India would still remain a hope. And Afghanistan might still be under Soviet occupation today if it were not for Pakistan.
And while dividing up Pakistan, don't forget to remove uzbek, tajik, hazara, baloch etc. areas of Afghanistan from any Pashtun state. The fact is that it is nearly impossible to get ethnically pure states and if you go that route, it will only lead to ethnic wars over land. Just like Baloch land will remain with Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan, Kurdish land will remain with Iraq, Turkey and Iran.
You can't compare this to East and West German situation, as no country was broken up to unite the two Germanys. It was a simple matter of uniting two countries. Afghanistan is welcome to join in confederation with Pakistan. Otherwise both Afghanistan and Pakistan will break up if Pashtunistan becomes a reality. Think long and hard before you try to break two countries.
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
And while dividing up Pakistan, don't forget to remove uzbek, tajik, hazara, baloch etc. areas of Afghanistan from any Pashtun state. The fact is that it is nearly impossible to get ethnically pure states and if you go that route, it will only lead to ethnic wars over land. Just like Baloch land will remain with Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan, Kurdish land will remain with Iraq, Turkey and Iran.
You can't compare this to East and West German situation, as no country was broken up to unite the two Germanys. It was a simple matter of uniting two countries. Afghanistan is welcome to join in confederation with Pakistan. Otherwise both Afghanistan and Pakistan will break up if Pashtunistan becomes a reality. Think long and hard before you try to break two countries.
I think it would be nice...and would also be happy if India was in that confederation:).....;I believe in cooperation and freinship among people...i also believe south asia must get prepared to face Chinese / USA war....and united south asia against any other enemy would be a strategy for success
ps, european borders dividing people is still a cause for concern....there is still rerorism in france and spain due to that problem....but so far the best solution to regionalism independance aspiration has been the weakening of nationalism from "artificial" states and unification accrros borders ( European Union)
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
If the Tajik Uzbek of Afghanistan wanted to seperate they would have during the civil war. Off the top of my head I can name only one so-called Khorasani, Dr. Latif Pedram (which I bet many here have not heard about), and he is a pan-iranist. Technically, him bein a pan-iranist, he should be for uniting all iranian-speaking people, so basically its not 'seperating' from pashtuns per say. The comparison of Germany is fair since they too were split depsite their commonality. But didn't the U.S.S.R break to pave the way for the reunification?
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
Tajiks, Farsiwaans, Uzbeks all hate Pashtuns, should they be liberated from the tyranny or not? I think
Afghanistan should be broken into 3-4 pieces, based on the ethnicities. Pakistan should be given the pashtun dominated areas, the farsi dominated areas to Iran, and those breakaway russian states on top can have the rest.
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
I already answered your question in you other thread. lol, soemone is desperate, like the pashtuns are gonna have that happened. Pakistan won't even let the pashtuns in present day Pakistan unite into one province, the last thing want to do is this.
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
We will govern and bring order to chaos, and hopefully make you guys ready for the 21st century, inshallah.
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
The achakzai theory is pretty idiotic because you guys know it that it cant happen.That will divide balochistan and punjab as well.
I think you guys have NWFP rename it as pakhtunkhwa.even the mma government wants to change the name of the province
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Achakzai was right it would have ended a lot of the porblems we see among the pashtuns and Baloch, in my opinion. The division was by the British, if Pakistan claims to really care about the Pashtuns then it should have let the Pashtuns reunite as one administrative unit.
P.S. TMX, why don't you try taming the baloch 'insurgency' or whatever you want to call it, then think about Afghanistan. First learn how to walk then run.
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Brother The same question was asked to achakzai junior that you talk about uniting all pashtun areas into an administrative unit.what about those pashtuns who live in karachi,lahore,rawalpindi.The population of pashtuns is in millions in these cities
The problem is mianwali and attock both the cities have other ethnic groups as well.Chaman quetta and other cities of balochistan how will they be divided.
And what will happen to the non pakhtuns like hazara
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
However those are not our cities, Pashtuns moved there for better job oppurtunites. We have to right to claim it as pashtun territories. The pashtun and Baluch areas are well divided in the sense that the north is pashutns and the south is Baluch and Brahui. The only problem in Quetta, so with negotiations, we will settle this issue. The pashtun areas of Hazara fall under pashtuns (I.e. the Dalazaks tribe), the others they should be given the choice. I am in no way a chauvinist, so whatever is fair should be done.
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
'our' cities lol Dsabz, youre too obsessed with afghanistan, and ure not even an afghani
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
If he says he is Afgani why do you bother arguing with him?
We cant cahnge someones perception of what they are. Brotherhood is not forced on someone LOL.
We need to worry about the betterment of Pakistan and let the Afghans do as the please. Negotiate a deal with them that satisfies Pakistani Pashtuns and be done with the whole thing
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
Woah I said I was from Peshwar, Pashtunkhwa. When I say Afghan, I mean ethnically afghan, not a citizen. I never said I was a citizen of Afghanistan.
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of course he is Afghan, all pakistani pashtuns are afghan. even the id's cards state their qaum is afghan. i dont know about the new ones but the old id cards said they were afghan as a qaum. this policy came under jinnah the most pakistani of pakistanis!
i believe he can be afghan and pakistani at the same time. afghan is an ethnic term while afghani is a citizenship term. he can be an ethnic afghan in pakistan. if you cant accept that then you deprve them of their 5000 year history.
just as one is sindhi balochi punjabi kutch gilgiti ....he is afghan. and he origaintes from erm....quetta, peshawar, kohat or maybe even karachi. you should nt stress yourselves over this term .
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Thanks Kooks for the backup there. I believe the term Afghan is still in our identity and domicle, and it should be maintained, it is one of our main proud identity. It dates back thousands of years to its original term Ashvakayana, and is proudly mentioned in countles poems by pashtun patriots.