Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
I don't feel threatened per say, but I don't want us to lose the core values as pashtuns, thats all. Many pashtuns west fo the durand are losing their lanugae to dari. If they want to learn dair good for them, but they should not leave pashtu. And the kids east of the durand have very little clue about their history, esspecially those studing in pakistani schools. No disrespect to other classes, beacuse most of the teachers are very qualified, its just when it comes to history, theres a lot pashtuns are not learning. Theres that influence from pakistan.
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
Kabul is a multi-ethnic area, and a lot of them do speak dari, but I don't want the pashtuns losing their language, esspecially in Afghanistan. Thats just un acceptable to lose it in the country that bears our name, and identity. Many minority groups have maintained their culture, but its notlike pakistan government is helping. Mullas, I have no love for them, and have never cut them out of the mix. I know what they are doing is wrong. However, we pashtuns have to learn from past mistakes and move forward as one.
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
Dude, its up to you to save your culture… Trying to hide in a self imposed cage will not help anyone… There is no way that Pathans can expect to live on an Island. I mean, do you realize what a melting pot our entire area is!!! Punjabis for example if they go back far enough are descended from Central Asians such as White Huns, Persians, Indians AND Afghans… And ofcourse you cant deny how much influence PERSIANS HAVE HAD OVER THE WHOLE REGION…
If the Pathans on the Agfhna side arent aware of their culture and language, that problem isnt going to be resolved by trying to escape foreign influence, that inpossible.
You guys should take the example of Jew around the world, they have always lived in foreign lands and yet they have never lost their culture. And I can give you million other examples. Take the example of Chinese in NEW YORK, who have their own schools which teach their language and culture to American born Chinese.
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
Again, THATS fine, but then breaking up Pakistan is not the solution. You have to admit that if it werent for the threat of Pashtun nationalists to dessolve the Durrand line and ceded from Pakistan, Pakistan govt wouldnt have a problem with Pushtun unity, conspiracy theories aside. The problem is that Pashtun unity often devolves into a cesetion movement.
As far as the govt not helping though, what I know is that the govt doesnt allow anything but Urdu to be taught in schools. This is obviously a flawed policy and for the most part its useless… But I dont see how this has any effect on the language people speak.. Punjabis in my own village cant stand speaking Urdu… Infact some of them could hardly carry on a proper urdu conversation to save their life… And honestly I find the same with Pathans…
We have typical Pathan family friend. He used to work for Ptv and is a huge PAKISTANI NATIONALIST! His daughter has been going to school in Pakistan for about two years and cant speak Urdu to save her life outside of what she learns from Bollywood… So what are you afraid of?
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
mahmazoy are you talking to me. Pak patriot you have to understand that our unity is a problem to pakistan, Otherwise why would pashtun nationalists fight for it? Afghan gov't had a legitimate argument, why shouldn't the pashtun territory go abck to Afghanistan on 1947, on what basis should it join a new country?
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
yo tht arcade is addicting. Much love to the afghan arcade lol, the game where you have to steal something from the shopping store is jokes lol. Anyways on topic, bacha any updates on this story. Sa Afghanistan na khabar sha da day banday, domra ratha patha da chay agha commander eh suspend kra.
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
I personally could care less where you go, but Pakistan is one country, and whether you like it or not, it will never be seperated…
On what bases would anyone in Afghanistan want you for that matter?
Anyways, Pakistan is based on a multitude of cultures not just one… Sindhis and Punjabis dont have as much in commo as you may suspect..
Besides, there is no division between Pashtuns, you people cross the border as though it were not there at all… So what are you complaining about?
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
I dont know dude… But after 50 years, I refuse to allow the country to disintegrate… Pakistan has done a lot for Afghans, and there is no way we will ever allow them to take a part of our country… There is no possible way that anyone in Pakistan will ever accpet the loss of any part of the country…
Pasthun unity is one thing, but break u of the country is immpossible…
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
Effect of tribalism and theories of ethnic or cultural purity drives people toward nationalism. If Pakistan was not so dominated by punjab and army, such movements would be far less vocal.
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
Pushtoons were murdered in cold blood by their Afghan captors and you are trying to shoot the messenger as well!
Open borders are only possible when you respect "borders". Open borders doesn't mean that every Tom, Dick, and Harry can ride his donkey and show up in the next country with no papers, no visa, no passport, and no ID.
Open borders doesn't mean that you go to the neighboring country and create trouble.
Open borders is meant to allow people do "legitimate business" as defined in the "open border protocol" between two countries. Open border means you cross only at the allowed checkpoints and visit the next country.
Bunch of donkey riding cave dwellers are trying to teach us the "open borders". Daggon it!
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
antiobl the problem si that you would justify what the pak army is doing with the pashtuns int he tribal area and now all of sudden you act as if Afghan govt (which did something terrible right now, no doubt about it) does this all the time. On top of that you all are taking this hihg moral stand. Its actually very funny. I want to see the people who died get justice, but I am not see going to see this turn into another thing to strain ties across the durand.
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
Sabz, the Pak Army is killing and rooting out the foriegn terrorists hiding there, they have no reason to use Pak soil as their base for attacks on other countries. They will be shot dead.
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
....... but I am not see going to see this turn into another thing to strain ties across the durand.
So you are trying to justify what Afghans are doing to Pakistani Pushtoons.
Wake up and smell the coffee. Afghans killed "thousands" of Pushtoons just in Mazar Sharif at the hands of General Dostum. Dostum and Tajiks then fed the remainder of Taliban Pushtoon into the American chopping machine (or meat grinders if you prefer). Remember the daisy cutters Da-Sabz.
If you want to still justify Afghan government, well man! Go ahead make my day.
Re: Afghan tied up Pakistani Pushtoons before murdering them in cold blood
Oh my God didn't I say what they did was wrong, adn that the culprit should be brought to justice. Those afghasn were Dostums troop, adn I despise him and the norther alliance dogs. I know very well about what happened in Dast-e-laili. I know very well about the problems, I have been saying that many times, and I have supported the government in things I didn't agree on, I am no Karzai fanboy. However I will not use this issue as a way to put down or further strain the pashtun(afghan) reation across the durand, that will only work in the hands of pashtun's enemies. You are making up new meanings for my sentences, lol, nice try though.