Afghan Taliban cuts off farmer's nose for voting

dhj786 · September 28, 2009, 3:48pm

I noticed that a lot of Pakistanis are always denouncing the Pakistani Taliban, yet continue to praise the Afghan Taliban as a beacon of resistance. Where are these ardent defenders of the Taliban now?

Voters mutilated for voting against Taliban wishes - World - NZ Herald News

Pics are a bit graphic, so look at your own discretion.

For all the Afghan Taliban supporters here, do you still think the Afghan Taliban are much better? :rolleyes:

Reason · September 28, 2009, 11:12pm

Their silence provides the scary answer…

The Taliban are the same regardless of which side of the border they are on. There isn’t much difference between Islamists wherever they are. Their basic ideology is the same everywhere. I find it amusing how some Muslims claim external forces are the “root causes” of terrorism. They need to learn the history of Islamism. Modern day Islamism (as opposed to the older Wahabbi brand) is a product of Egyptians Qutb, Al-Banna, and Pakistan’s Maududi. Look at what Qutb believed:

In his book, Qutb seeks to set out “milestones” or guiding markers along a road that will lead to the revival of Islam from its current “extinction.”
Sharia

According to Qutb, “The Muslim community has been extinct for a few centuries” and reverted to Jahiliyyah (“The state of ignorance of the guidance from God” (p.11, 19)) because those who call themselves Muslims have failed to follow “the laws of God” or Sharia (also Shariah, Shari’a, or Shari’ah), traditional Islamic law. (p.9)[7]](Milestones (book) - Wikipedia) **Following the Sharia is not just important but a defining attribute of Muslims, more necessary than belief itself **(p.89), because “according to the Shari’ah, ‘to obey’ is ‘to worship’.” This means Muslims must not only refrain from worshipping anything other than God, they must not obey anything other than God: “anyone who serves someone other than God” — be that someone (or something) a priest, president, a parliament, or a legal statute of a secular state — “is outside God’s religion, although he may claim to profess this religion.” (p.60)

**Qutb sees Sharia as much more than a code of religious or public laws. It is a complete “way of life … based on submission to God alone,” (p.82) crowding out anything non-Islamic. **Its rules range from “belief” to “administration and justice” to “principles of art and science.” (p.107) Being God’s law, Sharia is as much a part “of that universal law which governs the entire universe, … as accurate and true as any of the laws known as the ‘laws of nature,’” like gravity or electricity. (p.88, also p.45-46)

“The establishment of God’s law on earth” will lead to "blessings" falling "on all mankind." (p.90) Sharia is "the only guarantee against any kind of discord in life. " (p.89) and will “automatically” bring “peace and cooperation among individuals.” “Knowledge of the secrets of nature, its hidden forces and the treasures concealed in the expanses of the universe,” (p.90) will be revealed “in an easy manner.” Its “harmony between human life and the universe” will approach the perfection of heaven itself. (p.91)

Just as Sharia is - in Qutb’s view - all encompassing and all wonderful**, whatever is non-Muslim (or Jahiliyyah) is “evil and corrupt,” and its existence anywhere intolerable to true Muslims. **"Islam cannot accept or agree to a situation which is half-Islam and half-Jahiliyyah … The mixing and co-existence of the truth and falsehood is impossible." (p.130) “We will not change our own values and concepts either more or less to make a bargain with this jahili society. Never!” (p.21) In preaching and promoting Islam, for example, it is very important not to demean Islam by “searching for resemblances” between Islam and the “filth” and “the rubbish heap of the West.” (p.139)
According to Qutb, to ignore this fact and attempt to introduce elements of socialism or nationalism into Islam or the Muslim community (as Egypt’s Arab Socialist Union government was doing at the time) is against Islam. Qutb stresses that in the early days of Islam, Muhammad did not make appeals to ethnic or class loyalty. Though these crowd-pleasing appeals would have undoubtedly shortened the thirteen years of “tortures” Muhammad had to endure while calling unresponsive Arabs to Islam, “God did not lead His Prophet on this course. … This was not the way,” (p.25-27) and so must not be the way now.

Islamic vanguard

To restore Islam on earth and free Muslims from “jahili society, jahili concepts, jahili traditions and jahili leadership,” (p.21) Qutb preaches that a vanguard (tali’a) be formed modeling itself after the original Muslims, the “companions” of Muhammad (Sahaba). These Muslims successfully vanquished Jahiliyyah (Qutb believes) principally for two reasons:

They cut themselves off from the Jahiliyyah – i.e. they ignored the learning and culture of non-Muslim groups (Greeks, Romans, Persians, Christians or Jews), and separated themselves from their old non-Muslim friends and family. (p.16, 20)

They looked to the Qur’an for orders to obey, not as “learning and information” or solutions to problems. (p.17-18)

Following these principles the vanguard will fight Jahiliyyah with a two-fold approach: preaching, and “the movement” (jama’at). Preaching will persuade people to become true Muslims, while the movement will remove by “physical power and Jihaad for abolishing the organizations and authorities of the Jahili system.” (p.55) Foremost amongst these organizations and people to be removed is the “political power which rests on a complex yet interrelated ideological, racial, class, social and economic support,” (p.59) but ultimately includes “the whole human environment.” (p.72) Force is necessary, Qutb explains, because it is naive to expect “those who have usurped the authority of God” to “give up their power” without a fight. (p.58-9)’

Remaining aloof from Jahiliyyah and its values and culture, but preaching and forcibly abolishing authority within it, the vanguard will travel the road, gradually growing from a cell of “three individuals … to ten, the ten to a hundred, the hundred to a thousand, and the thousand … to twelve thousand,” and blossom into a truly Islamic community. The community may start in the “homeland of Islam” but this is by no means “the ultimate objective of the Islamic movement of Jihad.” (p.72) Jihad must not merely be defensive, it must be offensive, (p.62) and its objective must be to carry Islam “throughout the earth to the whole of mankind.” (p.72)

True Muslims should maintain a “sense of supremacy” and “superiority,” (p.141) on the road of renewal, but it is important that they also prepare themselves for a “life until death in poverty, difficulty, frustration, torment and sacrifice” (p.157), and even to brace themselves for possibility of death by torture at the hands of Jahiliyyah’s sadistic, “arrogant, mischievous, criminal and degraded people.” (p.150) Qutb ends his book by an example of persecution against Muslims from the Quran’s “surat al-buruj,” enjoining modern-day Muslims to tolerate the same or worse tortures for the sake of carrying out God’s will. After all, “this world is not a place of reward”; the believer’s reward is in heaven. (p.150, 157)

Influences

Islamic

Two of Qutb’s major influences were the medieval Islamic scholar Ibn Taymiya, and contemporary Pakistani/Indian Islamist writer Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi. Both used the historical term jahiliyya to describe contemporary events in the Muslim world. [8]](Milestones (book) - Wikipedia)
Two other concepts popularized by Qutb in Milestones also came from Maududi:

al-'ubudiyya, or worship, (which is performed not only by praying and adoring but by obeying); and

al-hakimiyya, or sovereignty, (which is God’s over all the earth and violated when His law, the Sharia, is not obeyed).[9]](Milestones (book) - Wikipedia)

Qutb’s precept that Sharia law is essential to Islam and any self-described “Muslim” ruler who ignores it in favor of man-made laws is actually a non-Muslim who should be fought and overthrown come from a fatwa of Ibn Taymiya.[10]](Milestones (book) - Wikipedia)
** Non-Islamic**

Qutb’s intense dislike of the West not withstanding,** some of his ideas are strongly reminiscent of European fascism:**

the decline of contemporary Western civilization and “infertility” of democracy,

inspiration from an earlier golden age and desire to restore its glory with an all-encompassing (totalitarian) social, political, economic system,

victimhood from malicious foreign and Jewish conspiracies, and

violent revolution to expel alien influences and reestablish the power and international domination of the nation/community, [11]](Milestones (book) - Wikipedia)

Fascism having made some impact among anti-British Arab Muslims before, during, and after World War II.[12]](Milestones (book) - Wikipedia) The influence of particular fascist thinkers (particularly French fascist Alexis Carrel) in Qutb’s work is disputed.[13]](Milestones (book) - Wikipedia)
The centrality of an Islamic ‘vanguard’ (Arabic: tali’a) in Qutb’s political program also suggests influence from Leninist thinking.

Christians and Jews as Polytheists

Qutb repeatedly proclaims that “serving human lords” is intolerable and is a practice Islam “has come to annihilate.” (p.60) Christians and Jews are guilty of it since, according to Qutb, they give priests and rabbis “the authority to make laws” and “it is clear that obedience to laws and judgments is a sort of worship.” [p.60] Because of this, Qutb says, these religions are actually polytheist, not monotheist.
Yet for the last decade and a half of his life (1953-1966) Qutb himself belonged to the Muslim Brotherhood, an organization founded on almost military-like structure where “obedience to laws and judgments” of its founder was at least as severe as nearly any Christian or Jewish congregation or denomination. Before his assassination, “Supreme Guide” Sheikh Hassan al Banna, had the power to overrule any decisions by local Brotherhood branches not to his liking. [18]](Milestones (book) - Wikipedia) [19]](Milestones (book) - Wikipedia)
Western and Jewish Conspiracies

Qutb asserted that “World Jewry” was and is engaged in conspiracies whose “purpose” is:

to eliminate all limitations, especially the limitations imposed by faith and religion, so that Jews may penetrate into body politics of the whole world and then may be free to perpetuate their evil designs. At the top of the list of these activities is usury, the aim of which is that all the wealth of mankind end up in the hands of Jewish financial institutions which run on interest. (p.110-111)

He also alleged that the West had a centuries-long “enmity toward Islam” which led it to create a “well-thought-out scheme … to demolish the structure of Muslim society,” (p.116) At the same time, “the Western world realizes that Western civilization is unable to present any healthy values for the guidance of mankind,” (p.7) and “the American people blush” with shame when confronted with the “immoralities” and “vulgarity” of their own country in comparison with the superiority of Islam’s “logic, beauty, humanity and happiness” (p.139)

Olivier Roy has described **Qutb’s attitude towards the west is one of “radical contempt and hatred” for the West,[20]](Milestones (book) - Wikipedia) rather than reasoned criticism, and complains that the propensity of Muslims like Qutb to blame problems on outside conspiracies “is currently paralyzing Muslim political thought. **For to say that every failure is the devil’s work is the same as asking God, or the devil himself (which is to say these days the Americans), to solve one’s problems.” [21]](Milestones (book) - Wikipedia)

Ma’alim fi al-Tariq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

None of this has any “root causes” abroad. This is an internal fascist-like ideology with a religious veneer.

Look not only at the ideology but the record. Radical Islamism has reared its ugly head in the Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand, Russia, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, Israel, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, Sudan, and this is just a list off the top of my head of non-Western countries Islamism has engaged in violence. These are local movements, or at least the local branches of a global movement, which are united by a similar ideology. Just as not all communists were the same but they were all very similar because they were inspired by the same ideology.

Reason · September 28, 2009, 11:42pm

Look at these savages:

Voters mutilated for voting against Taliban wishes - World - NZ Herald News

Is there any way we can help this man? Is there a way to create a fund to help him and his 8 kids through the rest of his life?

bittu · September 29, 2009, 3:49am

Re: Afghan Taliban cuts off farmer's nose for voting

very correct....democracy is not an islamic phenomenon....moreover democracy in afghanistan is a playgame of kufr countries.

Reason · September 29, 2009, 4:11am

Re: Afghan Taliban cuts off farmer's nose for voting

So you condemn democracy as "un-Islamic" yet say nothing about cutting off the nose, ears of an innocent person after beating him? This says a lot about Islamists...

dhj786 · September 29, 2009, 4:51am

Not to mention that no one on here has the courage to condemn the Afghan Taliban for what they are. Pakistanis seem to have no problem implementing Talibanic law on its neighbor, yet cry foul if it is implemented on their own.