Afghan interference to blame for Waziristan violence: ANP

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Good to see the ANP finally standing up for Pakistan against Afghianistan.

Afghan interference to blame for Waziristan violence: ANP

Afghan interference in North and South Waziristan is to blame for the deteriorating law and order situation in the tribal region, Asfandyar Wali, parliamentary leader of the Awami National Party, said in a debate on the Balochistan and Waziristan issues in the Senate on Monday. Supporters of Gulbadin Hekmatyar have been moving around freely in Bajaur Agency for the last year and a half, Wali said. “The spill-over from North Waziristan is visible in Tank and Dera Ismail Khan districts of the NWFP,” he added. He said the government should hold talks with Waziri tribesmen and Baloch nationalist leaders to resolve the problems. If Gen Musharraf is ready to talk to the Indian prime minister, why is he reluctant to talk to his fellow countrymen in Balochistan and North Waziristan, he asked. Interior Minister Aftab Sherpao said the government believes in resolving issues through political dialogue, but will not hold talks with terrorists and “miscreants”. Winding up the two-day debate, Sherpao said the government was open to negotiations with “those who believe in development and peace and progress of the country”.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\03\21\story_21-3-2006_pg1_2

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By Afghan interference, ANP probably means certain Jehadi leaders that were in "mysterious" hiding in Waziristan after ouster from Afghanistan in 2001. Note he is saying Gulbuddin is freely wandering in Bajuar.

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Gulbadin Hekmatyar is an Afghan Pashtun leader.

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Problem is, that if you give in to terrorists and actually negotiate with them, you run the risk of legitmizing their activites and giving the immpression of weakness that can be exploited at any times....

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For nearly 30 years Afghans have been fighting Afghans, and Pashtun killing Pashtun in Afghanistan. We don't want that in Pakistan.

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I agree wih last, this has got to do more with that traitor gulbuddin. The faster he is gone the better.

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Doesn't gulbadin live in Iran?

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Yes, the proxy war then and now imposed!

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Afghanistan seems littered with a lot of Pashtun traitors.

Laalach burri bala hay ...
Laalach burri bala hay ...
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You’re really doing a disservice to Pashtuns by making them look like little children who need hand holding to protect them from themselves. Have some courage and admit your own shortcomings before pointing out other people’s problems.

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I saw an interview with Nasrullah Khan Babar, the former interior minister in the PPP government and a proud Pashtun the other week on ARY, and he was blasting the Afghans demanding that they be expelled from Pakistan!

*blink*
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but the same nasrullah babur used to call taliban "MY BABIES"..How quick our so called leaders and politicians change their thinking.

Obviously the pakhtuns from pakistan follow different ideologies and parties they are as patriot as other pakistanis i am talking about a common pashtun.But nasrullah babur he can make a terrorist out of anyone everyone knows what mess he made in karachi when he was the interior minister of pakistan.

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babar is just as big is a traitor to pashtuns as hekmatyar, so please don't call him a proud pashtun. HOwever, at the smae pakistan is looking after its interests, its time we pashutns smarten up and look out for ours.

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Mr./Miss Kahkashan, by the way, why was Kashmir on fire for almost 15 years, at war internally and with Indian army, and why did the anarchy gradually die down after 9/11, 2001?

The point is, the Afghan War, from 1978 to 1988, had thoroughly destroyed the social and political structures in Afghanistan, including the Afghan state (and institutions like army, police, etc.). This devastation was of such a gigantic magnitude that the internal systems/techniques (e.g. jirga etc.) of coflict-resolution and restoration of (social, political, and adminstrative) order had been completely made ineffective.

All this together with economic collapse had fragmented the whole Afghan society to an unprecedented scale.

When existing social and political orders of a society are broken, and when there arises a threat to life, people cling around smaller social units like immediate family and follow leaders (usually war lords and warriors) that can protect them in the situation of disorder, crisis, and anarchy. Usually, such war lords are hired by foreign powers for different motives.

Under normal circumstances and in isolation, no society would engage into internal conflict endlessely because human and natural resources will at one point be exhausted threatening the existence of entire society but if supplies from the sorounding area continue, conflict would linger on indefinitely.

In short, social, political, and administrative systems together with economy and clan/tribal cohesion and internal systems of conflict-resolution, had completely been destroyed in Afghanistan taking away the ability/capacity of Afghan Society to re-organize itself and restore internal order and respond to external interference (whereas the neighbouring societies were formidably strong and bent on exploitig the situation for their own advantage.)

(The same situation also exists in Iraq today).

But you wouldn't accept this point because you have been brought up on that great book of wisdom called "Pak Study" or "Mutalia Pakistan". No Pakistani (including myself) considers himself less than that great Chinese sage, Confucious and considers others kids.

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two decades of ruin and damnation after afghans fighting their war for strategic depth, and after an oppressive religious government was erected, run, and dismantled at will to ensure conformity, pakistanis accuse afghans of interfering in their internal matters.

the mind boggles.

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Right on LTD. Sebastian Junger the author of the book fire, says and I quote, 25% of Afghan population was wiped out as a result of Commie invasion. With such a great loss, no society in the world can sustain itself.

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So quickly they turn against their Afghan/Pashtun “brothers”!

Jirga seeks withdrawal of troops

By Syed Irfan Raza

ISLAMABAD, March 21: A jirga of the North Waziristan Agency on Tuesday demanded that the government initiate a process of dialogue and immediately withdraw troops from the tribal areas to restore permanent peace. The jirga comprising over a dozen tribal leaders raised their demands in a meeting with Interior Minister Aftab Ahmed Khan Sherpao at the interior ministry.

The tribal leaders rejected the government’s claim about the presence of foreigners in the tribal areas saying that innocent people from their tribes were being killed on the pretext of operations against ‘miscreants’ and foreigners.

They urged the government to hold dialogue with tribal elders instead of going on with the military operations in the North and South Waziristan agencies.

Talking to reporters, the minister said a focused military operation was being carried out in Waziristan therefore people who had left their homes should return. “We will provide protection to them,” he added.

Mr Sherpao said the government had initiated the process of discussion with tribal elders and Tuesday’s meeting was part of the initiative.

However, he said the government could not accept every demand of the tribal people. “Those involved in creating law and order situation will be dealt with accordingly,” he said.

On the other hand, some of the jirga leaders told reporters that there was no foreign national in the tribal areas and the attacks on security forces were carried out by Afghan nationals who often used to cross the border. “Afghans come and after attacking security forces return to their side,” they said.

http://www.dawn.com/2006/03/22/top12.htm

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I doubt we are turning against each other unless its some tribal conflict. Unfortunately pashtuns have a lot loud voices, but none strong enough, united or effective enough right now to rally the afghans/pashtuns together. Sad but true, but in time we will see changes.

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Mrs. LTD, I am talking about Pakistani Pashtuns and their jihadi tendencies, who you claim turned to jihad because some punjabi told them to! And it was Afghans who invited communists into their land and then the jihadis with the help of the Pashtun run ISI. This is all a Pashtun doing! Just admit it instead of making long-winded posts that are meaningless and try to divert the real issue.

Do you have some mental block that you cannot admit that Pashtuns are their own worse enemies? And I don't believe in Pak Studies, since I know very well the antics of Pashtun-Punjabi army. I saw it first hand in Karachi courtesy of chief terrorist Nasrullah Babar (is he punjabi or hindustani?).

And I was not aware that anarchy had died down in Kashmir. Maybe you have close connections with Pashtun jihadis active their and can tell us the details.