Afghan Christian convert could face death

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That is sad reality of today's Islamic world.

Islam is being hijacked by illiterate and extremists.

These same group of people believe that killing innocent people of other faiths and their own is jihaaad, while it is clearly forbidden in Quran and the teaching of Prophet (pbuh). But these idiots believe that it is perfectly allowed as some psycho pathetic Mullah told them to blow themselves up at any cowded place and kill women children and men and God will himself sort them out.

It is the responsibility of educated Muslims, but we are terrible at it. We refuse to even listen to Allah's command let alone paying any heeds and teaching others. May Allah give us hidayat. ameen

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What would happen if another country extends the status of a religious refugee and accept him into their country? Wouldn’t that be an “out” of the present situation without causing a loss of face to these extremists?

Couldn’t above be the way to deal with all similar religious problems in future? Would these leaders of Islam accept it?

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What we need is a loss of face for these mullahs. They need to be beaten on their behinds till they bleed.

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read that article
it's stupid
i mean, it's his choice..
if he thinks Christianity is better for him n he wants to convert then we can't FORCE him.. let Allah deal with him after he dies
who are we to punish him?
who are we to put him to death?

btw why is this person getting so much attention
i mean he isn't da first person converting to some other religion..???
there was this Paki actress too who married to some Indian guy and converted before getting married

she was a muslim before...
how come nobody said nythign to her?

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So anyway. Could someone find me a news article of how many Muslims have been killed by the western crusader armies? Or how many Palestinians have been killed by Israelis, or how many Kasmiris have been killed in Kashmir by the brutal occupation of the Indian army in Kashmir?

I guess no ones interested in that....

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Do some research and start a new thread... People are interested since there is separate section on Kashmir on GS. There are mulitple threads on Palestine as well... So there are people interested... If you feel that there havent' been enough... Start a new one....

Here in this case........ you are trying to justify one wrong with other.............
Fortunately in world two minuses doesn't make one plus.......

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^ in maths they do. But seriously, I dont know where the Afghani get this from. Kill the convert!? What the ***k? Id love to see Afghan laughing up US killing muslim converts. Then they'd probably coming weening for social rights and Westren Injustice and what not, those ugly hairy mullahs!!! Im glad the guys gonna get released, and exile would be best for him, away from fat mullahs and their pork knifes.

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There seems be some news articles saying today that he may be released.....

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It says in bbc news that the afghan christian convert is hearing voices, i think the poor guy needs medical help rather than punishment. Its a shame that afghanistan has not many mental institutions.

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hindus who convert to islam are also threatened with death...hindus are no angels.

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You are confusing too issues, here people were using sanction of religion to kill this guy...
Now who said that there aren't hardliner in Hinduism, and Hinduism has somekind of freedom for only 50+ years after 1200 years, hence these elements will grow over time unless Christianity and Islam doesn't tone down conversion and Hindu is Kafir stand in the name of religion...

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Unfathomable Zealotry

By Richard Cohen
Tuesday, March 28, 2006; Page A23

What strikes me about the threat to execute Abdul Rahman, the Afghan who converted to Christianity, is not that Afghanistan remains deeply medieval and not even remotely the democracy that George W. Bush would like it to be, but that with the exception of the (largely) Christian West, the rest of the world has been mostly silent. The Americans have protested, the Brits have protested, the Vatican has protested and so (I assume) have some others. But if there has been a holler of protest from anywhere in the Muslim world, it has not reached my ears. That is appalling.

The murder of a person for his religious belief ought to be inconceivable. It is something we in the West stopped accepting hundreds of years ago, and while Americans and others continued to kill on account of race deep into the past century, the right of the government to take a life on account of religion has not even been argued in the longest time. We are way beyond that.

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Afghanistan was once under Soviet occupation, and it may have learned something from those days. Just as the Soviets sometimes pronounced political dissidents to be insane (why else would they question a perfect system?) so have Afghans decided that Rahman is nuts. (Why else would a Muslim choose Christianity?) Now that the case has been dropped and he has been placed in solitary confinement for his own protection, he will probably be spirited out of the country. To remain in Afghanistan is to remain in grave peril of death.

Rahman’s troubles began, as they do for so many, with a divorce. In contesting his attempt to gain custody of his children, his wife told the court that Rahman would be an unfit father because he had converted to Christianity about 16 years earlier. This is what’s known in football as a late hit. Nonetheless, when the prosecutor heard of the conversion, he promptly charged Rahman with apostasy, which is punishable by death. Rahman’s choices were once to repudiate his conversion or plead insanity. The latter would have been the more sane choice.

“The world is too much with us,” Wordsworth once wrote. This is certainly the way I feel. To be confronted on an almost daily basis with the horrors of Iraq is profoundly disturbing. The torture and decapitation of huge numbers of people, the casual homicides, the constant suicide bombings – all of this makes you wonder about your fellow man. It is no longer possible, as it once was, to see the world only from your front porch, being disturbed only by the ringing of the bell on some passing ice cream truck. In Africa, Asia, too much of the world – it is Joseph Conrad much of the time: “The horror! The horror!”

But you can say that these horrors are usually being inflicted by a minority. You say it is a few crazed terrorists of Iraq who are doing the killing. It is not most Iraqis. You can say the same about suicide bombers and torturers and rogue governments, like the one Saddam Hussein once headed. You can take solace in numbers. Most people are like us.

Then comes the Rahman case and it is not a solitary crazy prosecutor who brings the charge of apostasy but an entire society. It is not a single judge who would condemn the man but a culture. The Taliban are gone at gunpoint, their atrocities supposedly a thing of the past. In our boundless optimism, we consign them to the “too hard” file of horrors we cannot figure out: the Khmer Rouge, the Nazis, the communists of the Stalin period. Now, though, this awful thing returns and it is not just a single country that would kill a man for his beliefs but a huge swath of the world that would not protest. There can be only one conclusion: They were in agreement.

The groupthink of the Muslim world is frightening. I know there are exceptions – many exceptions. But still it seems that a man could be killed for his religious beliefs and no one would say anything in protest. It is also frightening to confront how differently we in the West think about such matters and why the word “culture” is not always a mask for bigotry, but an honest statement of how things are. It is sometimes a bridge too far – the leap that cannot be made. I can embrace an Afghan for his children, his work, even his piety – all he shares with much of humanity. But when he insists that a convert must die, I am stunned into disbelief: Is this my fellow man?

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a stnad lon person threatenign and state legislating on the same do u see the difference or again conveneitn ignorance will creep in

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yeah so go and slit his throat!

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I would really love for this lajawab to come and explain to us if a christian slit a muslim's throat based on the fact that he/she converted out of christianity..

Then I would wait for his lajawab answer.. Or maybe "bejawab" should be a more suitable nick for him..

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You mean bleed to death!! these Kaffirs of Afghanistan who are hell bent on killing that poor guy should be wiped off the planet earth. A complete waste of space!! The man just just changed his mind and decided to leave Islam, so what??? He is a human being and is entitled to beleive in anything he likes.
I was born Muslim but found millions of contadictions and lost faith in EVERY religion coz they are equally dangrous to human race. I am sure the whole world will go after the these so called pious Muslims if they harm this man. NO wonder these stupid Afghanis been living so miserably for so years.

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You are bit too strong in your denouncement, dont' become what you are opposing, though some of the points you made are valid...
I am not sure whole world will go after them if they kill him, its just that will be another straw of Camel's back in peception world is building up against Islam (Please don't come after me, I am not decrying Islam). You never know which one is last straw...

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Hey Rahul, cheers for poiting that out I know my tone was a bit too much But I meant it though. there is no point saying it directly to you coz I know where you stand but what I mean to say here is actualy to those who claim to be the people closest to God. How can these mindless bigots expect a fair treatment from others when they treat others with so much contempt.

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They remain in own world of perception. Since voices of reasoning are being silenced as of now in most of the Muslim world and communist kind propoganda (ever been to WestBengal) continues in Mosques. As well they can always point out some elements in other religion who are bad. As well there is always big mix up between religion and nationality, since others have moved ahead to bounding by nation state and Islam is still in religion bounding state (understandable, it being the youngest religion).
Its very difficult for people to take an unbiased view, when you are one of the party. So best of luck.......

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Thanks for the piece, n_j.

It is a very good article that put across how many people in the western world feel about this case.

I am though gladened by the number of Guppies here that did come out against this sort of thing.

BTW> It seems as if the man will be send to Italy who said they will take him in.