Adoption in Islam [split from "Would you consent to being a Broodmare]

Inheritance is detailed in Quran by all mighty Allah Taa'lah. You probably didn't mean it but you are MOCKING Allah Taa'lah in above highlighted text.

Say ISTAGHFAAR and try to refrain from participating in a conversation of this sort before acquiring proper manners and knowledge of the subject matter...

RC

Re: Would You Consent to being a Brood-Mare ?

tell me RC, when you think of your parents or siblings, how often do you wonder about your inheritance?

agreed… it is completely petty. besides you may not be able to give them anything after your death but you can certainly give them everything while you are alive.

" Normal"ppl usually dont until after the loved has died. But the sad this is that…after ones death they fight over it and stop talking to each other because of it :bummer:

I know you are setting a ground to counter attack me because of my last post so save it...

Information you asked for is not a public Information.

As a Muslim, I tried to stop you from committing a sin (as Amir Pindi said), you wanna make it an ego issue, fine with me...

RC

Re: Would You Consent to being a Brood-Mare ?

lol.. oh my.. you know what i think now?

answer the question if you like, RC. or skip it. please dont be Allah and read my niyyat.

say astaghfirullah now...

ASTAGHFIRULLAH

ASTAGHFIRULLAH

ASTAGHFIRULLAH

May Allah forgive you.

RC

Re: Would You Consent to being a Brood-Mare ?

guys why must life 1 members always go off topic :bummer:

arent the majority of us at the age of maturity?

lets stay on topic now plz.

Re: Would You Consent to being a Brood-Mare ?

you are too kind, RC.

anyway back to topic. if i had a wife who said stuff like ooh baby i cant have kids but you should marry another who will give you child, i'd lose all respect for her in 2 seconds flat.

The point is to not get stuck in semantics, adoption as in jahliya is one thing, raising an orphan as a guardian is another. The term adoption is used because no one has suggested an alternative proper term. lets use the term fostering then perhaps.

the reasons given about raising a na merham at home and all that jazz are there whether you have 'adopted' a child in a jahliya sense or are raising them in an islamic manner.

the issue also is that people just go with a statement like. adoption is not allowed, and then go into issues like mehram and inheritance, and thus give the wrong impression that islam discourages anyone raising an orphan in their home. That paints a rather wrong picture.

I dont have any unislamic practices as far as it comes to the kids, them being adopted is common and public knowledge, my siblings and parents have already gifted their share of inheritance legally to these kids in the event I kick the bucket, and that the kids call me daddy is something discussed and approved by scholars because the kids are too young to understand anything and it has psychological issues if everyone else has a mama and daddy and they dont, as they grow older and as they learn more about the fact that we are not blood relatives, they can choose to call me whatever.*

Re: Would You Consent to being a Brood-Mare ?

RC, u've some nerve

what does it bother u if someone is raising a child that may biologically not be theirs? why does it bother you that someone has a home and a family to go to? If they have sinned, let Allah be the judge of that...

if you yourself cannot go down that path, then pls dont condemn someone who has or will... rather than commending noble people for their deeds and for completing their lives, you'd rather condemn them..

such is the state of our kaum... it sickens me really..

there are countless people in pakistan, in our muslim world who cannot conceive and their wives are dying of depression... dying to nurture a child... there are way more orphans out there who need a home.. who need a parent.. who need to loved.. yet we are bogged down by what Islam says you can and cant do!

If only people thought for themselves and actually knew the real concept of Islam...
we may even prevent a few 100 or 1000 orphans from being taken by self proclaimed mullahs turning these innocent souls in to suicide bombers..\

its sad... real sad

There are inheritance laws which encourage people taking in and raising orphans ( I am intentionally not using the word 'adoption' because the discussion will get stuck in semantics again), but as I noted, a person giving whatever gift to anyone, whether that is an orphan he is raising, his best buddy from kindergarten or the local drill master, that is his business.

This reminds me of a couple who had been raising an orphan girl, and died in some accident. My sister and brother in law knew them. Anyways I dont know the details but the deceased guy's brothers basically took over all the assets because this little girl had no rights on it from a sharia ruling perspective. She was taken in by one of the friends of the deceased couple.

So, was it really the right thing to do? Yes there are inheritance laws, but there is compassion, there is much written about taking care of an orphan and to not deny them justice and take over what is theirs.

The brother's actions were okay in terms of shariah inheritance law, but seemed very unislamic in essence because they were devoid of compassion for a helpless little girl that was being raised by their brother.

and this is what i dont get...

I believe Islam is a compassionate religion... it teaches us about humanity... yet that is the first thing we throw out the window when the need arises.

Re: Would You Consent to being a Brood-Mare ?

Well don't you know we people are so good at picking and choosing what the right Islamic thing to do is at that moment? Heck there is an entire surah on the rights of an orphan (Ma'un) but how many of us ever supported an orphan's single meal or donated to an orphanage in ramadan? But talk of inheritence, we jump to our shariah laws. Yup.

Re: Would You Consent to being a Brood-Mare ?

it is not the religion it is individuals, you may not have done that, I may not have done that, but those guys did. People who want to be so selfish, will do it regardless of what they follow. Look people have used twisted and misguided interpretation to justify 'honour' killings as well. But its them, its not the religion that is saying that.

Re: Would You Consent to being a Brood-Mare ?

It's never the religion but the people.

Re: Would You Consent to being a Brood-Mare ?

the people who shout the loudest about shariah and what Islamic law is, I wonder how many of them actually even follow the basics. Like you said Niksik, how many of them have even donated to an orphan or a family in need?

There are numerous organisations out there, like World Vision, Plan, Edhi who try hepling out the poor... yet what i see is a lot of people just sit back and go "those are kaafir people, we aint supporting them"

fine, dont support them. Get off ur backside and do something urself.

I agree, esp when u consider the fact that altho the provisions of inheritance are v.strictly laid out the parent can still leave a large 'gift' of money in their will. My Dad was asking an Imam about this the other day but in regards to whether a daughter could be left an equal share to the son Islamically, the 'gift' thing is apparently a halal way to split it if u want all the kids to get the same amount..

some people are really misunderstanding Islam.

Adoption to me too is an excellent and praisworthy side-option of not being able to have kids.

But i remember there is some vital Islamic issues surrounding it as R.C portrayed. Therefore it is wise and advisebale to have a talk with an Islamic scholar before actully pursuing the option.

Im not agsint Adoption. I just want to raise awareness of the other side of the coin.

And one thing which im sure of ...people stop miscomprehedning quranic ayats...if you are not sure...then dont self judge...because if you get it wrong you mislead others aswell as yourself....not to mention the possible sin earned.

The rights of an orphan to wealth in the koran is REFERRING TO HIS OWN THAT IS LEFT OVER BY HIS DECEASED PARENTS, TO WHOM HE IS UNABLE TO TAKE CUSTODY YET DUE TO HIS IMMATURE AGE, THUS WHOS PROPERTY ALLAH INSTRUCTS YOU TOO LOOK AFTER UNTIL HE IS OF MATURE AGE, AND ABLE TO RETAIN HIS RIGHTS.

The Adopted/Orphan child has no rights over the Guardians own Wealth.

However as a poster above stated, the guardian/foster parent can still transfer his wealth to the kid if he wishes as a GIFT OR CHARITY.

There is no prohibiton/makrooh in Islam unless they are for the prevention of ultimate damage of the participants and society involved.
It would be useful for one to check up on google if there have been cases of problems asociated with adoption.

Sweatheart, you are making it sound like I made those rules. Let me make it clear that I didn't....Allah did.

You are free to shop around for those QAOMs that don't sicken you, who is stopping you ?

And Allah has promised to take care of them all,..... hasn't he ?


Yes we are.
And we should always think what Allah says you can and can't do, it's called being Muslim...

You seem to know real concepts of Islam, why don't you enlighten me and others for our knowledge please. But make sure you provide references from Quran and Ahadees because without references, it will be like "you running your mouth aimlessly without any knowledge"

What's "sad... real sad " is your emotional speech that lacks knowledge and understanding of bacis principals of our deen, Islam.

Regards

RC

Hate to disagree with you but above highlighted text has some issues.

If the wealth is transfered as a gift or charity, the rightful and deserving heirs to the property of a man are deprived of their shares. Hence, Islam has made it Haraam (forbidden) for a father to deprive his natural children of inheritance.

Regards

RC