adios Shobby (hopefully)

For the first time, I think I honestly don’t mind losing a match/series. So, this team management isn’t all that incompetent after all.

Shobby better shine up that chaat stall.

Pakistan fully capable of bouncing back: Rashid

By Waheed Khan

KARACHI: **The third and final One-day International against England at Lord’s on Sunday could prove to be a make or break event for speedster Shoaib Akhtar.

“The team management and senior players are not at all happy with the performance of Shoaib in the second one-dayer and the feeling is that he should be given one final chance to prove his superstar status at Lord’s,” a team source told ‘The News’ on Saturday.

“The feeling basically is that since he believes himself to be a superstar bowler and also enjoys this status, it is time he delivered for the team accordingly,” the source said.

“If Shoaib can’t do something special in the final match, it might well be his last match for Pakistan under the existing team management,” the source added.**

However, Pakistan captain Rashid Latif was not willing to comment on these inside reports but confirmed there was little chance of any changes being made in the team for the final match.

“I don’t think we are going to have any changes. I think Shoaib will play because it makes no sense to drop him after just one match although his bowling was a disappointment,” Rashid conceded.

While agreeing that the batsmen had not posted a challenging enough total for the bowlers to defend at The Oval, Rashid still insisted that he would have been happier if the bowlers had made more of a fight of defending such a total.

“England’s victory was too emphatic. Although we have not pressed the panic button at all. It is just that their players have more experience of playing in such conditions. Our players were deceived by the bare look of the pitch but in England on any sort of surface if a bowler keeps the right sort of pace, line and length he can always get some movement,” he pointed out.

The Pakistan skipper said he remained confident that both teams were evenly matched and if his team played maturely it could beat England to win the series.

“Even though we lost at The Oval by a big margin, I know these players are capable of getting back into form for the final match and have the temperament to deliver the goods.”

“I still feel England’s middle and lower order is more vulnerable than ours which is why Marcus Trescothick played the way he did yesterday, taking numerous chances because he perhaps also realizes the state of their middle-order. Luck also didn’t support us. We moved a slip and the next ball the batsman edged straight there. We had a wicket off a no-ball, etc. It was just one of those bad days.”

Rashid said he remained satisfied with the attitude and progress shown by the team members specially the young players. “Sometimes such a defeat tends to shake you up from any complacency you might have developed. If we get our basics right the third match will be a hard fought one.”

Rashid said he was disappointed with his own form and that of Younis Khan in the first two games but also defended the dismissals of the latter for ducks, noting that in both matches Younis got two very good balls.

“Maybe it was just his misfortune because he has been in good form on this tour.”

Rashid dismissed suggestions that England pacer James Anderson had some sort of a psychological edge over the Pakistani batsmen since his first appearance against them at Capetown in the World Cup in late February.

“I don’t believe this is a correct assumption. Anderson has bowled well in both matches but he is not unplayable. Even his hat-trick did not contain three unplayable or wicket-taking balls. The batsmen just missed out with careless shots.”

“In England you have to be patient and very selective in your shots. Because the slight deviation of the ball will always be there.”

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Thank you. That is the exact point which I tried to emphasize in the previous threads. Shoaib akhtar is a senior bowler (along with azhar/razzaq.. but they are all-rounders) which is why he took quite a bit of the blame.

There have been so many matches where all our bowlers got whacked, but our primary bowler for the last few yrs, akram, was consistent mostly.

Thats the difference, if you are the main bowler you have to step up your performance in the critical matches, and not just against minnows.

But I also feel that (even now) if he gets his pride under control and bowls normally (economically at times, and aggresively at others), he can be a great asset.

The Game Responds:

       *You faithless whining morons, all of you. Shoaib will kick ass tomorrow and you will all be singing his praises. Shut up, relax, and have faith. People, That Is All.*

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       *You faithless whining morons, all of you. Shoaib will kick ass tomorrow and you will all be singing his praises. Shut up, relax, and have faith. People, That Is All.* 

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its funny to hear about whining from your mouth. Really?? I mean is anyone here too whiny for you??

Him kicking ass has nothing to do with the point of discussion. Its his attitude and consistency which are being talked about.

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You faithless whining morons, all of you.
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you do realize that these "faithless whining morons" include his own captain, coach and teammates?

Judging a player by ONE performance is unfair. Shoaib is still a match winning bowler who has the potential to rip through any batting line up on his day. Tomorrow, he’ll be back and will rip through the English line up. :jhanda:

Sambrillian, why do you have start a different thread to make your point.
Why not blast Sami, Azhar, Razzaq, afterall they are experienced bowlers as well.
Just because Razzaq and Azahr are allrounders, it doesn't mean they don't have to take the blame for all the worth.
Some great allrounder in past and present have led bowling attacks like Imran, Pollock, Wasim, being allrounder doesn't mean that you don't have heavy responsibilities.
I think the way he bowled was very justifiable, restricting a team for 184 is not a easy task on a batting track.
The instructions were pure from Rashid Latif to go out and attack, if anyone is to be blamed then it is Rashid, who told all his bowlers to attack the batsman rather than staying in line & length.

Umair,

Akhtar averages around 21. he is considered a front-line bowler. Razzaq avgs aroudn 28 i think, and mahmood in the 30s. They are backup/support bowlers. Akhtar will take more of the blame simply because he is a better bowler.

No one is suggesting that akhtar is worthless. He is a very good bowler (as his avg proves) but he is messing his performace due to factors such as an unnecessary push for speed, and his ugly attitude. He just doesn't play like a team player.

Though i still do hope that he'll come back strongly and benefit under miandad's guidance.

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Umair,

Akhtar averages around 21. he is considered a front-line bowler. Razzaq avgs aroudn 28 i think, and mahmood in the 30s. They are backup/support bowlers. Akhtar will take more of the blame simply because he is a better bowler.

No one is suggesting that akhtar is worthless. He is a very good bowler (as his avg proves) but he is messing his performace due to factors such as an unnecessary push for speed, and his ugly attitude. He just doesn't play like a team player.

Though i still do hope that he'll come back strongly and benefit under miandad's guidance.
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But yaar, it was direct instructions from Latif to go out attacking because of such pathetic total put up by our batsman. It was worth a try and I don't any bowlers for their misfortune.

Had Pakistan put up a decent total, we might have seen some good strict bowling from our fast bowlers.

Actually the blame goes to our batting. Rashid really didnt have another option but to go for all out attack. Shoiab and Sami tried to blast out the batting by bowling fast as instructed. Our openers and middle order have to take responsiblity. Secondly we are missing one front line bowler. While having allrounders is good, we have too many all rounders in the team. Razzaq, Hafeez, Shoaib Malik & Azhar Mehmood. We need to bring Danish Kaneria into the side as English batsmen are not too comfortable infront of quality spin or we could bring in Umar Gul who uses his head while bowling and could be a good choice to open the bowling. That means either Razzaq or Azhar Mehmood will have to sit out. They both dont justify their place in the side either as bowler or a batsman. Razzaq is a little out of form when he gets back to full form he is a useful allrounder. So for now Razzaq can sit out and Gul or Kaneria should be brought in.

Why is everyone blaming Shoaib for the defeat in the second ODI? There is no way we can defend 185 runs on a pitch where we should have gotten atleast 240 runs. Wins and defeats are part of the game and everyone has bad days.

We need a proper wicket keeper batsman like Moin or Gilchrist who can actually score unlike Rashid.

We can't afford to have 4 all rounders in the team. Razzaq and Azhar are just ordinary bowlers and should never play in the same game. For the bowling, we should have Umar Gul opening with Sami and Shoaib can probably bowl after 10 overs or so.

Game is right... We cant just put the blame on Shaoib for that particular match. He will bounce back and prove he is still the best. We won one, and we lost one; with this experimental team, I'd say its fair.

I have said it before and I will say it again.
Only in Pakistan would we be careless enough to have the fastest bowler in the world and threaten to throw him off the team.
People look at short term results look at Shoaib in the long term. Look what he did in Australia last year. He got hit hard yesterday and against India in the World Cup, but so did all the other bowlers, it is unfair to always be focusing on him.

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Only in Pakistan would we be careless enough to have the fastest bowler in the world and threaten to throw him off the team.

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Lee was thrown off the Australian team as his economy rate was too high. At that time there was a * pace race * going on between Lee and Shoiab. I agree Shoiab is talented and we can utilize him to win matches for us, but staying in the team just because you are fast doesnt make any sense.

^ while it is a good point that you make about Lee my freind, unfortunatly Pakistan is not Australia and despite our talent with bowlers I don't think that we have the depth of experienced dangerous bowlers to replace Shoiab right now.
I do agree with an aspect of the PCB's strategy in this case, since it seems they have to make some threats to force Shoiab to behave himself and play well.

His length and line were wrong, either he was bowling too short or was overpitching it and therefore Trescothick was eating him alive. If he had used his head and bowled a better line and length things might have been differenct. He is our leading attack bowler and he needs to bowl better or get dropped. Simple.

true, thats one thing that entirely should be blamed on our Pakistani bowler, you just can't bowl wide short pitched deliveries in the first 15 overs.
I just think Shoaib is much more effective coming as first change rather than opening the bowling but sadly we have no decent opener other than Sami, Umar Gul proved to be too expensive when the opening the bowling in Sharjah.

thats rite:k:

Waqar attacking shoaib now.. ouch..

“Look at Friday: it was painful to see the way Pakistan played. It was painful to see the way he was bowling. Fair enough, you fight and you lose. But he’s always saying, ‘I’m going to do this or I’m going to do that.’ Just bowl, mate, Just stop talking and bowl."

musraf scold shoib public, now all peapul attaked shoib! Why Waqar not scold when shoib speaking paper? waiting after pakistan losted and after only ataking shoib for telling paper! is called sore grape