ACLU and PC is a disease

Welcome to the new world, where, the liberals and ACLU has destroyed the values of this land to such an extent that an ILLEGAL a-hole coming across the border takes the land away from the legal residents/citizens of this land. Not only these illegals are a burden on the society their criminal acts are becoming more violent and we pay to house these assholes in Federal and state prisons.

2 Illegal Immigrants Win Arizona Ranch in Court

DOUGLAS, Ariz., Aug. 18 - Spent shells litter the ground at what is left of the firing range, and camouflage outfits still hang in a storeroom. Just a few months ago, this ranch was known as Camp Thunderbird, the headquarters of a paramilitary group that promised to use force to keep illegal immigrants from sneaking across the border with Mexico.

Now, in a turnabout, the 70-acre property about two miles from the border is being given to two immigrants **whom the group caught trying to enter the United States illegally. **

The land transfer is being made to satisfy judgments in a lawsuit in which the immigrants had said that Casey Nethercott, the owner of the ranch and a former leader of the vigilante group Ranch Rescue, had harmed them.

“Certainly it’s poetic justice that these undocumented workers own this land,” said Morris S. Dees Jr., co-founder and chief trial counsel of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which represented the immigrants in their lawsuit.

Mr. Dees said the loss of the ranch would “send a pretty important message to those who come to the border to use violence.”

The surrender of the ranch comes as the governors of Arizona and New Mexico have declared a state of emergency because of the influx of illegal immigrants and related crime along the border.

Bill Dore, a Douglas resident briefly affiliated with Ranch Rescue who is still active in the border-patrolling Minuteman Project, called the land transfer “ridiculous.”

“The illegals are coming over here,” Mr. Dore said. “They are getting the American property. Hell, I’d come over, too. Get some American property, make some money from the gringos.”

The immigrants getting the ranch, Edwin Alfredo Mancía Gonzáles and Fátima del Socorro Leiva Medina, could not be reached for comment. Kelley Bruner, a lawyer at the law center, said they did not want to speak to the news media but were happy with the outcome.

Ms. Bruner said that Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva, who are from El Salvador but are not related, would not live at the ranch and would probably sell it. Mr. Nethercott bought the ranch in 2003 for $120,000.

Mr. Mancía, who lives in Los Angeles, and Ms. Leiva, who lives in the Dallas area, have applied for visas that are available to immigrants who are the victims of certain crimes and who cooperate with the authorities, Ms. Bruner said. She said that until a decision was made on their applications, they could stay and work in the United States on a year-to-year basis.

Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva were caught on a ranch in Hebbronville, Tex., in March 2003 by Mr. Nethercott and other members of Ranch Rescue. The two immigrants later accused Mr. Nethercott of threatening them and of hitting Mr. Mancía with a pistol, charges that Mr. Nethercott denied. The immigrants also said the group gave them cookies, water and a blanket and let them go after an hour or so.

The Salvadorans testified against Mr. Nethercott when he was tried by Texas prosecutors. The jury deadlocked on a charge of pistol-whipping but convicted Mr. Nethercott, who had previously served time in California for assault, of gun possession, which is illegal for a felon. He is now serving a five-year sentence in a Texas prison.

Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva also filed a lawsuit against Mr. Nethercott; Jack Foote, the founder of Ranch Rescue; and the owner of the Hebbronville ranch, Joe Sutton. The immigrants said the ordeal, in which they feared that they would be killed by the men they thought were soldiers, had left them with post-traumatic stress.

Mr. Sutton settled for $100,000. Mr. Nethercott and Mr. Foote did not defend themselves, so the judge issued default judgments of $850,000 against Mr. Nethercott and $500,000 against Mr. Foote.

Mr. Dees said Mr. Foote appeared to have no substantial assets, but Mr. Nethercott had the ranch. Shortly after the judgment, Mr. Nethercott gave the land to his sister, Robin Albitz, of Prescott, Ariz. The Southern Poverty Law Center sued the siblings, saying the transfer was fraudulent and was meant to avoid the judgment.

Ms. Albitz, a nursing assistant, signed over the land to the two immigrants last week.

“It scared the hell out of her,” Margaret Pauline Nethercott, the mother of Mr. Nethercott and Ms. Albitz, said of the lawsuit. “She didn’t know she had done anything illegal. We didn’t know they had a judgment against my son.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/19/national/19ranch.html?ei=5090&en=d9c2a3cd4e97d231&ex=1282104000&partner=rssuserl%20and&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

Re: ACLU and PC is a disease

At times they do go beyond the call of duty, but on the whole the US is better off with such organizations than without them. They form the difference between a civilized society and one where it's a "free for all" devoid of even the slightest accountability.

~I~

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Nope, all they do is go beyond the call of duty...plus who assigned them this duty anyway? They are mostly comprised of left wing liberals, Lulac a-holes and twisted hippies from the 60s. They are hell bent on destroying everything that does not agree with their agenda. This is not an isoated incident, there are many more of similar nature where these a-hole lawayers and judges think that they can go against the constitution and do whatever the hell they want...case in point the california supreme court..

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ACLU, like many similar organizations, is not a single minded entity. Some of their stands seem right and some seem wrong. Take the labor unions for example - some of them are needed to protect labor when the management goes overly aggressive but some unions end up playing into mob bosses.

Also note the power of headlines.

All said, aren't you happy we live in a country where even the illegal immigrant is protected against vigilante action? Between Netherott's violent felony and the immigrant's act of illegally entering the country for making a living, it does seem like justice went the right way here.

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No funny jammies, i would rather see these vermins go back to their country stop stealing my money. If you are so compassionat donate all of your savings to these illegal assholes. I will donate my time and money to folks like "Minute Men" and folks who are trying to do what the federal govt. has failed to do for decades.

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In the rhetoric, you may have misunderstood what I said. No way am I endorsing my checks to the illegal immigrants. Between the criminal act of Netherott and the illegal immigrant, I am just saying Netherott's crime is worse. I wouldn't call them vermin but I'd also like to stop illegal border crossing.

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The whole point is that illegal vermin was on this soil illegally and he needs to be sent back and future vermins needs to be detrred. I applaud Netherott;s actions to instill the fear of God in these assholes so they think twice before crossing the border.

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^ let's see - Netherott ended up ceding his farm to the illegal immigrants. You call that instilling the fear of God?

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Nope, I will tell you this...those assholes might have won this time, next time they will not be able to find a bleeding heart liberal lawyer. You see people living in those border towns are fed up with these assholes destroying their towns socially and economically. They are ready to take back what is rightfully theirs.

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I'd like to believe that too but facts and trends point the other way.

  • There are more congressmen coming out in favor of bills like "5 year work permit", "driving licenses for illegals" etc - than ever before

  • There are cases such as the Nethrott that you have elaborated that have had quite the negative effect because of the foolish tactics used

  • There is this think called hispanic vote bank that Republicans need so not to get routed in the 2 houses

  • There is the democratic party that has lost so much that they feel they nothing more to lose and so don't think they have to do anything about anything

Even the "next terrorist can walk across the border" arguement seems to have played out.

What does all this mean? Though it may sound a bit glib, "getting angry about real issues is no solution by itself".