Abu hurayra can we trust this man?

Why do Sunnis narrate most of the traditions through the chain
of Abu Hurayra? It is said that the number of traditions narrated by
Abu Hurayra are about 5,374, while Abu Hurayra didn’t accompany
the Holy Prophet(s.w.) except in the last two years of the Holy
Prophet’s lifetime - after accepting Islam.
As for Imam Ali (a.s.), who accompanied the Holy Prophet (s.w.)
since his childhood until the Holy Prophet (s.w.) died between his
hands, thereare only 537 traditions narrated from him (a.s.) in
Sunnis books. This is so, while Imam Ali (a.s.) delivered the most
remarkable orations and sayings especially during the time which
he ruled over the Muslim ummah, which lasted less than five years.
And in this five years he explained to the Muslims every minute rule
and regulation in the Islamic shari`ah and the prophetic sunnah.
None of these orations and sayings has been mentioned in the
sahih of al-Baukhari or Muslim.


OUR LORD! WE HAVE INDEED HEARD THE VOICE OF A CRIER(MESSENGER)CALLING TO THE FAITH: “BELIVE IN YOUR LORD” SO WE BELIVED. OUR LORD! FORGIVE US THEN OUR SINS, AND REMOVE FROM US OUR EVIL DEEDS, AND CAUSE US DIE ALONG WITH THE VIRTUOUS

(3:193)

Abu Hurairah! He's one of the great Sahabah Alkiram, he is a great scholar of Islam. He had compiled the Ahadith of the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam.

There's no doubt about this great man. Prophet Muhammad mentioned him in his Ahadeeth and he was praised by all of the Khulafa' and scholars.

May Allah guide us to follow the Prophet and his honorable Sahabah.


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ahmed g u dont see the point

Why do Sunnis narrate most of the traditions through the chain
of Abu Hurayra? It is said that the number of traditions narrated by
Abu Hurayra are about 5,374, while Abu Hurayra didn't accompany
the Holy Prophet(s.w.) except in the last two years of the Holy
Prophet's lifetime - after accepting Islam.
As for Imam Ali (a.s.), who accompanied the Holy Prophet (s.w.)
since his childhood until the Holy Prophet (s.w.) died between his
hands, thereare only 537 traditions narrated from him (a.s.) in
Sunnis books. This is so, while Imam Ali (a.s.) delivered the most
remarkable orations and sayings especially during the time which
he ruled over the Muslim ummah, which lasted less than five years.
And in this five years he explained to the Muslims every minute rule
and regulation in the Islamic shari`ah and the prophetic sunnah.

None of these orations and sayings has been mentioned in the
sahih of al-Baukhari or Muslim.

My friend can you answer this that what Shias are following today are the teachings of Hazrat Ali and teachings of Prophet Mohammad (pbhm)

If in five years you can become one of the greatest Sahaba than the prophets should have done his Elan-e-naboowat when he was 2!

Again all came missed my point and wrote some gibrish and went! My point: Why does Abu jee have more Hadiths than any other person When he was with the prophet for only 2 YEARS! And when He was with the prophet he was only 14-15 which is Quite a young age to Exactly remember all that has been said!


OUR LORD! WE HAVE INDEED HEARD THE VOICE OF A CRIER(MESSENGER)CALLING TO THE FAITH: "BELIVE IN YOUR LORD" SO WE BELIVED. OUR LORD! FORGIVE US THEN OUR SINS, AND REMOVE FROM US OUR EVIL DEEDS, AND CAUSE US DIE ALONG WITH THE VIRTUOUS

(3:193)

This Is a sermon by Hazrat Ali and you will se how much Knowledge this man has!

**SERMON 1

In this sermon he recalls the creation of Earth and Sky and the birth of Adam.

Praise is due to Allah whose worth cannot be described by speakers, whose bounties cannot be counted by calculators and whose claim (to obedience) cannot be satisfied by those who attempt to do so, whom the height of intellectual courage cannot appreciate, and the divings of understanding cannot reach; He for whose description no limit has been laid down, no eulogy exists, no time is ordained and no duration is fixed. He brought forth creation through His Omnipotence, dispersed winds through His Compassion, and made firm the shaking earth with rocks.

The foremost in religion is the acknowledgement of Him, the perfection of acknowledging Him is to testify Him, the perfection of testifying Him is to believe in His Oneness, the perfection of believing in His Oneness is to regard Him Pure, and the perfection of His purity is to deny Him attributes, because every attribute is a proof that it is different from that to which it is attributed and everything to which something is attributed is different from the attribute. Thus whoever attaches attributes to Allah recognises His like, and who recognises His like regards Him two; and who regards Him two recognises parts for Him; and who recognises parts for Him mistook Him; and who mistook Him pointed at Him; and who pointed at Him admitted limitations for Him; and who admitted limitations for Him numbered Him.

Whoever said in what is He, held that He is contained; and whoever said on what is He held He is not on something else. He is a Being but not through phenomenon of coming into being. He exists but not from non-existence. He is with everything but not in physical nearness. He is different from everything but not in physical separation. He acts but without connotation of movements and instruments. He sees even when there is none to be looked at from among His creation. He is only One, such that there is none with whom He may keep company or whom He may miss in his absence.

The Creation of the Universe

He initiated creation most initially and commenced it originally, without undergoing reflection, without making use of any experiment, without innovating any movement, and without experiencing any aspiration of mind. He allotted all things their times, put together their variations gave them their properties, and determined their features knowing them before creating them, realising fully their limits and confines and appreciating their propensities and intricacies.

When Almighty created the openings of atmosphere, expanse of firmament and strata of winds, He flowed into it water whose waves were stormy and whose surges leapt one over the other. He loaded it on dashing wind and breaking typhoons, ordered them to shed it back (as rain), gave the wind control over the vigour of the rain, and acquainted it with its limitations. The wind blew under it while water flowed furiously over it.

Then Almighty created forth wind and made its movement sterile, perpetuated its position, intensified its motion and spread it far and wide. Then He ordered the wind to raise up deep waters and to intensify the waves of the oceans. So the wind churned it like the churning of curd and pushed it fiercely into the firmament throwing its front position on the rear and the stationary on the flowing till its level was raised and the surface was full of foam. Then Almighty raised the foam on to the open wind and vast firmament and made therefrom the seven skies and made the lower one as a stationary surge and the upper one as protective ceiling and a high edifice without any pole to support it or nail to hold it together. Then He decorated them with stars and the light of meteors and hung in it the shining sun and effulgent moon under the revolving sky, moving ceiling and rotating firmament.

The Creation of the Angels
Then He created the openings between high skies and filled them with all classes of His angels. Some of them are in prostration and do not kneel up. Others in kneeling position and do not stand up. Some of them are in array and do not leave their position. Others are extolling Allah and do not get tired. The sleep of the eye or the slip of wit, or languor of the body or the effect of forgetfulness does not effect them.

Among them are those who work as trusted bearers of His message, those who serve as speaking tongues for His prophets and those who carry to and fro His orders and injunctions. Among them are the protectors of His creatures and guards of the doors of the gardens of Paradise. Among them are those also whose steps are fixed on earth but their necks are protruding into the skies, their limbs are getting out on all sides, their shoulders are in accord with the columns of the Divine Throne, their eyes are downcast before it, they have spread down their wings under it and they have rendered between themselves and all else curtains of honour and screens of power. They do not think of their Creator through image, do not impute to Him attributes of the created, do not confine Him within abodes and do not point at Him through illustrations.

Description of the Creation of Adam

Allah collected from hard, soft, sweet and sour earth, clay which He dripped in water till it got pure, and kneaded it with moisture till it became gluey. From it He carved an image with curves, joints, limbs and segments. He solidified it till it dried up for a fixed time and a known duration. Then He blew into it out of His Spirit whereupon it took the pattern of a human being with mind that governs him, intelligence which he makes use of, limbs that serve him, organs that change his position, sagacity that differentiates between truth and untruth, tastes and smells, colours and species. He is a mixture of clays of different colours, cohesive materials, divergent contradictories and differing properties like heat, cold, softness and hardness.

Then Allah asked the angels to fulfil His promise with them and to accomplish the pledge of His injunction to them by acknowledging Him through prostration to Him and submission to His honoured position. So Allah said:

"Be prostrate towards Adam and they prostrated except Iblis (Satan)." (Qur'an, 2:34; 7:11; 17:61; 18:50; 20:116)
Self-importance withheld him and vice overcame him. So that he took pride in his own creation with fire and treated contemptuously the creation of clay. So Allah allowed him time in order to let him fully deserve His wrath, and to complete (man's) test and to fulfil the promise (He had made to Satan). Thus, He said:

"Verily you have been allowed time till the known Day." (Qur'an, 15:38; 38:81)
Thereafter, Allah inhabited Adam (p.b.u.h.) in a house where He made his life pleasant and his stay safe, and He cautioned him of Iblis and his enmity. Then his enemy (Iblis) envied his abiding in Paradise and his contacts with the virtuous. So he changed his conviction into wavering and determination into weakness. He thus converted his happiness into fear and his prestige into shame. Then Allah offered to Adam (p.b.u.h.) the chance to repent, taught him words of His Mercy, promised him return to His Paradise and sent him down to the place of trial and procreation of progeny.

Allah chooses His Prophets

From his (Adam's) progeny Allah chose prophets and took their pledge for his revelation and for carrying His message as their trust. In course of time many people perverted Allah's trust with them and ignored His position and took compeers along with Him. Satan turned them away from knowing Him and kept them aloof from His worship. Then Allah sent His Messengers and series of His prophets towards them to get them to fulfil the pledges of His creation, to recall to them His bounties, to exhort them by preaching, to unveil before them the hidden virtues of wisdom and show them the signs of His Omnipotence namely the sky which is raised over them, the earth that is placed beneath them, means of living that sustain them, deaths that make them die, ailments that turn them old and incidents that successively betake them.

Allah never allowed His creation to remain without a Prophet deputised by Him, or a book sent down from Him or a binding argument or a standing plea. These Messengers were such that they did not feel little because of smallness of their number or of largeness of the number of their falsifiers. Among them was either a predecessor who would name the one to follow or the follower who had been introduced by the predecessor.

The Prophethood of Muhammmad

In this way ages passed by and times rolled on, fathers passed away while sons took their places till Allah deputised Muhammmad (peace be upon him and his progeny) as His Prophet, in fulfilment of His promise and in completion of His Prophethood. His pledge had been taken from the Prophets, his traits of character were well reputed and his birth was honourable. The people of the earth at this time were divided in different parties, their aims were separate and ways were diverse. They either likened Allah with His creation or twisted His Names or turned to else than Him. Through Muhammmad (p.b.u.h.a.h.p.) Allah guided them out of wrong and with his efforts took them out of ignorance.

Then Allah chose for Muhammmad, peace be upon him and on his progeny, to meet Him, selected him for His own nearness, regarded him too dignified to remain in this world and decided to remove him from this place of trial. So He drew him towards Himself with honour. Allah may shower His blessing on him, and his progeny.

The Holy Qur'an and Sunnah

But the Prophet left among you the same which other Prophets left among their peoples, because Prophets do not leave them untended (in dark) without a clear path and a standing ensign, namely the Book of your Creator clarifying its permission and prohibitions, its obligations and discretion, its repealing injunctions and the repealed ones, its permissible matters and compulsory ones, its particulars and the general ones, its lessons and illustrations, its long and the short ones, its clear and obscure ones, detailing its abbreviations and clarifying its obscurities.

In it there are some verses whose knowledge (1) is obligatory and others whose ignorance by the people is permissible. It also contains what appears to be obligatory according to the Book (2) but its repeal is signified by the Prophet's action (sunnah) or that which appears compulsory according to the Prophet's action but the Book allows not following it. Or there are those which are obligatory in a given time but not so after that time. Its prohibitions also differ. Some are major regarding which there exists the threat of fire (Hell), and others are minor for which there are prospects of forgiveness. There are also those of which a small portion is also acceptable (to Allah) but they are capable of being expanded.**

Now where did you think Hazrat Ali got the Info from?

He got All this Info from the prophet and so is almost like a hadith in it's own right!

[This message has been edited by Shah Jahan (edited November 16, 2000).]

I see where you are comming from. And i must admit that I am not as knowledgeable in islam as I should be, but I've learned one thing... a huge part of Islam is blind faith... I mean think about it... allah made everything but what made him... (asthak fir allah). So maybe there is something that you and I dont know about this particular prophet that god did know..am i making sense to you or is this still hoop la to you?

What does age have to do with memory..
very much..

Why is it they say the kids should be taught Quran in early age so they can memorise it.. for when they are older they do not have the same retention..

As I have not read Ahadith with reference to Abu Huraira and Ali .. i may not be correct in the following:

I would agree that Ali was most probably a great orator and explainer of religion.. and the information did come from the Prophet.. but what you had written does not say it like.. Prophet said that and that to so and so.. It is Ali's interpretation of Islam (which most probably is correct - for apart from prophets no one infallible).

It lends to that Hadith with reference of Abu Huraira are data for readers to make their own judgements based on that..

Now i am just conjecturing - thigs referred to Ali are most probably information - how someone used that information to make a decision at that time.

For me both of them are important. If you just give me data with no reference to how it was used before.. it is useless.. with a baseline (previous decisions) my decison would be hopefully in correct line.

Let me tell you guys a funny thing. A shia in this forum shared the shi’ite version of the birth of Hazrat Ali (RA).

Per that version, Hazrat Ali (RA) was born in Khana’ Kaaba (maybe quite true, bcz even the sunnis also refer to him as ‘Maulaud-e-Kaaba’). Anyway, so the version goes on to say that Ali didn’t open his eyes, until Prophet (SAWW) went in to meet him. At which time Ali opened his eyes and recited a few verses of Sura’e’ Mominoon. (A miracle, bcz this sura was not even revealed to the Prophet for the next 10-15 years)

When I asked this, my shia friend, who narrated this fantastic incidence. He told me that this incident has been narrated by Abu Huraira … And I thought to myself “Wow, how come in this matter Abu Huraira is so reliable. Is it bcz this incident is too fantastic to be doubted”

Any opinion of you religious scholars on this?

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Why is Hazrat Abu Huraira(r.a.) the one with most Ahadith?And why did he remember more than the others?Well if you care to read about his time with the Prophet(pbuh)then you will know that Abu Huraira had come to the prophet(pbuh) saying that he usually forgot what he had learned in being with the prophet,and asked the prophet to pray for him.The prophet(pbuh) then made a specail prayer for him(I forget the exact words but it was along the lines that 'O Allah open abu huraira's chest').It was because of this prayer of the prophet that Abu-Huraira never forgot anything he had learned form the prophet and that is why he narrated so many so many ahadith.More that any other sahabi.Mr.Shah Jahan has ulterior motives in comparing him to Hazrat Ali(r.a.)and for bringing the credibility of this great sahabi into question.Shame on him.

Abu huraira??? ha! what a new/nice topic!!

lets just say...."if the hadiths make sense....we believe em"

just b/c we dont give H.ALi the same love as you (i dont want to use the word 'respect' here), doesnt mean you can counter-attack on the hadith making up allegations regarding age.....can you give proof to Abu Huraira's age??? can anyone??

wooh..sigh

Other than saying don't say anything about this great sahaba blah, blah, blah can I have the answer to my question?

Hazrat ali who was soooo knowladgeable has only 537 hadiths and the whole muslim world knows this! Now, did hazrat ali refrain from talking about hadith or what? I know for sure he gave lotsa hadith coz he was born with the prophet so he must have known alot so if he gave hadith along with Abu jee his total would be......5374 times 30 =161220 hadith!

I'm not saying anything bad about Abu jee but soooo many hadith from him sounds really stuid scince he was with the prophet for only 2 TWO years!


OUR LORD! WE HAVE INDEED HEARD THE VOICE OF A CRIER(MESSENGER)CALLING TO THE FAITH: "BELIVE IN YOUR LORD" SO WE BELIVED. OUR LORD! FORGIVE US THEN OUR SINS, AND REMOVE FROM US OUR EVIL DEEDS, AND CAUSE US DIE ALONG WITH THE VIRTUOUS

(3:193)

Most sahaba narrated few ahadith as they were very carefull about narrating ahadith.I gave you your answer shahjahan accept that you chose to ignore it.Those hadith you mention narrated from him are authentic and that's that.

ARE THE TWO YEARS FROM YOUR BOOKS???
BETTER CHECK UP ON THAT , BUDDY!


Yesterday is history,
Tommorow is a mystery,
Today is a gift,
That's why we call it PRESENT!

[quote]
Originally posted by Ahmed:
Why is Hazrat Abu Huraira(r.a.) the one with most Ahadith?And why did he remember more than the others?Well if you care to read about his time with the Prophet(pbuh)then you will know that Abu Huraira had come to the prophet(pbuh) saying that he usually forgot what he had learned in being with the prophet,and asked the prophet to pray for him.The prophet(pbuh) then made a specail prayer for him(I forget the exact words but it was along the lines that 'O Allah open abu huraira's chest').It was because of this prayer of the prophet that Abu-Huraira never forgot anything he had learned form the prophet and that is why he narrated so many so many ahadith.More that **any other sahabi.Mr.Shah Jahan has ulterior motives in comparing him to Hazrat Ali(r.a.)and for bringing the credibility of this great sahabi into question.Shame on him.**
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as x said "is this fron YOUR books?


OUR LORD! WE HAVE INDEED HEARD THE VOICE OF A CRIER(MESSENGER)CALLING TO THE FAITH: "BELIVE IN YOUR LORD" SO WE BELIVED. OUR LORD! FORGIVE US THEN OUR SINS, AND REMOVE FROM US OUR EVIL DEEDS, AND CAUSE US DIE ALONG WITH THE VIRTUOUS

(3:193)

[quote]
Originally posted by X_Communist:
ARE THE TWO YEARS FROM YOUR BOOKS???
BETTER CHECK UP ON THAT , **BUDDY!

**
[/quote]

Actually A sunni friend told me saying "look how great this man is. he was with the prophet for only 2 years and even though he has a great memory!

Now I got it from a sunni but If there is a biography of him on the net I'm sure I can find it for you!


OUR LORD! WE HAVE INDEED HEARD THE VOICE OF A CRIER(MESSENGER)CALLING TO THE FAITH: "BELIVE IN YOUR LORD" SO WE BELIVED. OUR LORD! FORGIVE US THEN OUR SINS, AND REMOVE FROM US OUR EVIL DEEDS, AND CAUSE US DIE ALONG WITH THE VIRTUOUS

(3:193)

oh puh-leaze!
sunni friend…and does this sunni frined have a book in WRITTEN TEXT that relates to this fact of two years for you???

oh and, dont gimme no website…if you can get books…use em..

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communist why do u have doubts bout ur own websites? do u think the sunni ppl dont know as much as u do? dont be so insecure ok..have some faith www.al-islam.org <<<thats the site i have faith in ..ok ji

I would encourage all brothers to be rational and not to get excited. We need unity of purpose. Remember we are all Muslims.

agree

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