Re: Abu Hamza, 4 others tied to al-Qaida arrive in US to face terrorism charges
We pay a lot of bloody tax. And besides, we're not living under a dictatorship that stops us from questioning the government policies. Brown people need to get out of this inferiority complex and "gora sahib is always right" mentality.
Pay a lot bloody tax to the government that loves you. There are means to protest, inciting hatred against a friendly country and questioning the government policies is like comparing apples to meat not even oranges.
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Are you kidding me? Taliban killing schools girls, or blowing up markets, or SSP hunting down shia doctors in Karachi or Hazaras being killed by SSP in Quetta is all done by the west?
Peace Shamraz Khan
Please re-read my previous post, the one you quoted ... Take a breath and then re-read it ... You will see that a) I am not kidding and b) I am not saying all of that is done by the West either .... Try to focus on what I am saying ... :)
Re: Abu Hamza, 4 others tied to al-Qaida arrive in US to face terrorism charges
Pay a lot bloody tax to the government that loves you. There are means to protest, inciting hatred against a friendly country and questioning the government policies is like comparing apples to meat not even oranges.
Peace StormRaiser
The facts are this:
Muslim Radicals in West call other Muslims in West to assist Muslims of Muslim countries against the atrocities of the Western armies. They do this by demonising the Western ideal. This causes a problem to the Western governments ... To think they are housing people who are trying to rally support for their enemy ... They don't see the enemy as Muslims ... But they see the enemy as Iraq and its army, Afghanistan and the Taliban recruits and so on. I understand this should cause them a problem. However, they create the problem first, by creating enemies out of foreign governments that don't agree with them, but the people suffer instead ... Through sanctions and warfare.
If Iraq or rather Saddam had agreed to sell the oil ... Then the 9/11 situation was unnecessary and Iraq would not have been invaded ... The Al-Qaeda thing was just a front to justify war and create a new enemy ... A phantom enemy. As a Muslim who loves all people I want my government the UK government to calm down and think about humanity. I want the US administration to calm down and not demand resources to be sold at prices set by the West and still call it a free market economy. I want to see governments happy even if some Arab government says "no" we're not gonna sell you any oil ...
Trust me these radicals are a reaction to the problem and become part of it, but the solution to this global crisis is simple ... Stop bullying countries ... And we need to all encourage our homelands and each other to just calm down.
Re: Abu Hamza, 4 others tied to al-Qaida arrive in US to face terrorism charges
these are terrorists cowards and leeching beggars. while this hook has been plotting to kill innocent people his own family has been enjoying the generosity of the same people - his wife living in a 5 bedroom mansion provided by the people of England free of cost, getting welfare money.
anyone defending these lowest of lowest form of life as anything else simply bring shame to thmeselves
How do u define a terrorist and a Jihadi + differentiate each other?
Re: Abu Hamza, 4 others tied to al-Qaida arrive in US to face terrorism charges
these are terrorists cowards and leeching beggars. while this hook has been plotting to kill innocent people his own family has been enjoying the generosity of the same people - his wife living in a 5 bedroom mansion provided by the people of England free of cost, getting welfare money.
anyone defending these lowest of lowest form of life as anything else simply bring shame to thmeselves
Great Britian a country which has laws against discrimination against disability
and a country which celebrated paralympics recently to champion disabled people in sport
why did you make fun of this man calling him "hook" when he has no arms? you are no different than the british media who like hypocrites make fun of his disability. you mentioned shame maybe you should ask yourself that question.
Re: Abu Hamza, 4 others tied to al-Qaida arrive in US to face terrorism charges
Peace StormRaiser
The facts are this:
Muslim Radicals in West call other Muslims in West to assist Muslims of Muslim countries against the atrocities of the Western armies. They do this by demonising the Western ideal. This causes a problem to the Western governments ... To think they are housing people who are trying to rally support for their enemy ... They don't see the enemy as Muslims ... But they see the enemy as Iraq and its army, Afghanistan and the Taliban recruits and so on. I understand this should cause them a problem. However, they create the problem first, by creating enemies out of foreign governments that don't agree with them, but the people suffer instead ... Through sanctions and warfare.
If Iraq or rather Saddam had agreed to sell the oil ... Then the 9/11 situation was unnecessary and Iraq would not have been invaded ... The Al-Qaeda thing was just a front to justify war and create a new enemy ... A phantom enemy. As a Muslim who loves all people I want my government the UK government to calm down and think about humanity. I want the US administration to calm down and not demand resources to be sold at prices set by the West and still call it a free market economy. I want to see governments happy even if some Arab government says "no" we're not gonna sell you any oil ...
Trust me these radicals are a reaction to the problem and become part of it, but the solution to this global crisis is simple ... Stop bullying countries ... And we need to all encourage our homelands and each other to just calm down.
For all the verbiage. Let me ask you a very simple question -- "Do you think it is right to incite hatred against the interests of the country while staying in the country and enjoying all the benefits" Dont bring in the matter of paying taxes. It is irrelevant to the discussion. Paying taxes does not give you the liberty to do what you please. There are certain rules that you need to adhere to. If you do not like the rules, it is better to pack your bags to go to a place where your ideals are revered. You want to enjoy all the benefits while your hearts lie elsewhere. It is time people take a deep breath and understand why most of the people would want to stay in the west rather than in their own home countries.
Re: Abu Hamza, 4 others tied to al-Qaida arrive in US to face terrorism charges
For all the verbiage. Let me ask you a very simple question -- "Do you think it is right to incite hatred against the interests of the country while staying in the country and enjoying all the benefits".
You want to enjoy all the benefits while your hearts lie elsewhere.
It is time people take a deep breath and understand why most of the people would want to stay in the west rather than in their own home countries.
Peace StormRaiser
I don't bring the argument of taxes ... It is my personal policy to pay tax in order to support the government to fulfil its statly duties. I can choose to minimise my tax, but I don't.
I also agree with you that by living in a country it does not give us the right to do anything we like ... However, if I am being asked to turn a blind eye if my government chooses to undertake an immoral act then I cannot agree with that. I dissent from government decision in order to contribute a voice to improve the UK government. I was born here and grew up here and have the right to contribute as a citizen towards what I believe to be better. If the government choose not to follow that ... that is their choice and they will be answerable not only to God but also to society when things go wrong - their actions often create the problems they claim to be trying to get rid of.
I do not think it is right to incite hatred ... the way this inciting should be curbed is by changing our stance on foreign lands, not by taking the inciters and br@nding them terrorists - because that would result in hopelessness of the people trying to be heard. The best way to silence the inciter is to show that the inciters are false ... this can be done by respecting foregin lands and their decisions.
I stay in the West other than because it is my home and birth place because I believe it is the best place to live in the way of safety and lifestyle freedom to practice my faith ... I only wish this to be the case for others around the world too ... but our Western governments do not seem to want that ...
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^^ I am happy that you have finally agreed that it is not right to incite hatred. There are peaceful means of protest and inciting hatred is one of them. The argument is not about you. It is about the scum who use the freedom of the west to propagate their idea of hatred and killing even when enjoying the benefits the west has to offer. Being born in a particular country does not mean that you do not have to follow the rules of the country. If the country of birth is not conducive to what you believe in, you are always welcome to move to a place where it is conducive for you.
I like this particular comment of yours...
"I stay in the West other than because it is my home and birth place because I believe it is the best place to live in the way of safety and lifestyle freedom to practice my faith ... I only wish this to be the case for others around the world too ... but our Western governments do not seem to want that ..."
This means that you find it better in the west rather than all of your Islamic countries and still you blame your Western Government. Everywhere people should have the liberty to practice their faith. Do you have a single Muslim country where a minority can repeat the same statement that you just mentioned. Before you take the speck of your brother's eye please remove the log from your own eye. That helps to see better.
Re: Abu Hamza, 4 others tied to al-Qaida arrive in US to face terrorism charges
I did not say you do. I was talking about people who support people inciting hatred against a friendly country. :)
Yeah well then they should've banned him and deported him back where he came from (just like Zakir Naik)...why hold someone without a fair trial and evidence?
Re: Abu Hamza, 4 others tied to al-Qaida arrive in US to face terrorism charges
Before you take the speck of your brother's eye please remove the log from your own eye. That helps to see better.
This is what I am doing ... The log in my own eye is my government's policies and the spec in my brother's eye is the radicalised Muslim resulting from those policies.
Re: Abu Hamza, 4 others tied to al-Qaida arrive in US to face terrorism charges
let this man go to pay for his crimes . those who are criticising britain should leave for their countries . let themselves bother about civil rights of their home crowds of extreme kind.
Re: Abu Hamza, 4 others tied to al-Qaida arrive in US to face terrorism charges
why should I define or distinguish? the guy preached violence and that makes him a terrorist. And he did that while he and his family lived off the same people he was trying to harm like parasites. That makes him the lowest of the lowest.
Re: Abu Hamza, 4 others tied to al-Qaida arrive in US to face terrorism charges
Great Britian a country which has laws against discrimination against disability
and a country which celebrated paralympics recently to champion disabled people in sport
why did you make fun of this man calling him "hook" when he has no arms? you are no different than the british media who like hypocrites make fun of his disability. you mentioned shame maybe you should ask yourself that question.
because he wears a hook. Your heart is bleeding for this cowardly beggar who even while getting state assistance for him and his large family under false pretense, was trying to harm them! So yeag, somewhere between the 1st and last million this blowhard terrorist stole from us we earned the right to call him whatever we want.
Re: Abu Hamza, 4 others tied to al-Qaida arrive in US to face terrorism charges
why should I define or distinguish? the guy preached violence and that makes him a terrorist. And he did that while he and his family lived off the same people he was trying to harm like parasites. That makes him the lowest of the lowest.
Allah is his judge ... We should be concerned about ourselves ...
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This is what I am doing ... The log in my own eye is my government's policies and the spec in my brother's eye is the radicalised Muslim resulting from those policies.
The log is helping you to stay in the country. Remember that !!! while the speck is not allowing other minorities to have a good life in the country that they were born. For all this you would still continue to blame the West I suppose.
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Allah is his judge ... We should be concerned about ourselves ...
Actually no. Somebody from the Bronx or Brooklyn will judge this excrement and lock him up in some low class jail for the rest of his miserable life.
When this guy preaches to bomb subways and steals money from society at large, keeping silent as you preach is the worst behavior. Such silence and laziness to actually object and speak out against such vermin is what has led to madrassahs of terror, masjids of shame.
Re: Abu Hamza, 4 others tied to al-Qaida arrive in US to face terrorism charges
because he wears a hook. Your heart is bleeding for this cowardly beggar who even while getting state assistance for him and his large family under false pretense, was trying to harm them! So yeag, somewhere between the 1st and last million this blowhard terrorist stole from us we earned the right to call him whatever we want.
still doesn't give you or anyone the right to mock at any sort of disability. It's rather insensitive IMHO....and offensive to others with disability.
