First of all , I have no authority of issuing kufar fatwas against any Muslim as you have bluntly done . Neither I nor any of us is liable for the deeds of ummah gone before us** . I highly respect Hazrat Ameer Mawiya (R.A) for his good deeds** same as The Zaydi Sect of Shi'ism considers both Abu Bakr and Umar as righteous companions. Well about Yazid , I think majority of Ulmaa has same views . Just follow the majority in his case . These are my personal views , I know you aint interested in Ibn Kathir and Ibn Timiya ‘s views .
Matey bhoy there is no point arguing on history written hundred of years ago . Let us take an example of Hazrat Umar ibn al-Khattāb ( R.A). Whether you call him righteous or Oppressor/ martinet . Islamic history has recorded him Second caliph of Ummah and majority of ummah had no objection on his selection as Ameer-ul-Momenin . Even it is reported in Bhukari but still disputed whether Umar was the man who caused the death of Bibi Fatima Zahra and her unborn child Muhsin.
In a nutshell we just like or dislike these historical characters on the basis of stories or version of history we read about them. Thousand of intellectuals have finished their life arguing and debating these incidents , thousand of books are written , if you start reading them u may not finish them all in this given life.
In a pesky era like ours .One should care about his/her deeds more than anything.
P.S: Mods kindly edit the topic and add R. A in fornt of Hazrat Abu Bakr's name !
Well if you consider his good deeds to be start fights against Hazrat Ali (A.S.) or denying his caliphate as the righteous and true ameer ul momeenin then you are welcome to it.
I as a shia can overlook the negativities of abu bakr, umar, and usman that the shia school of thought has for them; but for any person to start wars against the ahle -e-bait is unforgivable.
Thus, the divide unfortunately will continue till the end of times.
I like the four w's at the end in the link and the fact that someone who doesn't even like Abu Bakr As-Siddique (RA) has bought a domain name in his namesake as a guise to lead people towards their point of view ... Is that 'the truth'?
May Allah (SWT) shower blessings on the family of the prophet Muhammad (SAW) and his companions.
Anil khan . Well mate , I respect them as i have read my Master Ali ibn Talib ( R.A) used to do the same . You cant quote a single incident where he has done same (taubra) as you did in your post .
Yes indeed , the divide will unfortunately continue till the end of times because we Muslims aint willing to fill this gap .
Anil khan . Well mate , I respect them as i have read my Master Ali ibn Talib ( R.A) used to do the same . You cant quote a single incident where he has done same (taubra) as you did in your post .
Yes indeed , the divide will unfortunately continue till the end of times because we Muslims aint willing to fill this gap .
So brother Aliyish, are you saying Mawla Ali (a.s.) had respect for muawiyah when he was waging war against him?
Ah ok. I agree that Mawla Ali (a.s.) had respect for these three; but this is more a reflection on Mawla Ali’s greatness because he knew who the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) wanted to lead his ummah upon his passing yet he stayed quiet so there would be no divide amongst the ummah and thus he respected them.
And like I said, I’m willing to overlook (and thus appreciate) the first three caliphs but we (and more generally shias and sunnis) are at an impasse when it comes to muawiyah.
Khair, nice to talk about these issues without getting too rough or emotional. Good job by you and God bless :k:.
In reply u may come up with Sermon of ash-Shiqshiqiyyah recorded in Nahjulbalagha in which Hazrat Ali ( R.A ) is reported saying :
About Hazrat Abu bakr ( R.A)
Beware! By Allah the son of Abu Quhafah (Abu Bakr)(2) dressed himself with it (the caliphate) and he certainly knew that my position in relation to it was the same as the position of the axis in relation to the hand-mill. The flood water flows down from me and the bird cannot fly upto me.
and About Hazrat Umar ( R.A) he said
I* watched the plundering of my inheritance till the first one went his way but handed over the Caliphate to Ibn al-Khattab after himself*.
Then again we can argue for hours on the issue whether Nahjulbalagha was actually written by Hazrat Ali or not .
I saw Prophet Mohammad (SAW), his son-in-law and Imam Ali Al-Mortadha (as) with eleven of his sons entering the place. Jesus (as) advanced to receive them and embraced Prophet Mohammad (SAW). Prophet Mohammad (SAW) said to Jesus: "O’ spirit of God, I came to you to betroth and engage your disciple Shimeon’s daughter Malika to this son of mine, pointing out to Imam Hassan Askari (as), and the writer of this letter." Jesus (as) looked at Shimeon and said: “Honor has marched towards you. Relate your kin to the kinship of the progeny of Prophet Mohammad (SAW).” Shimeon replied: “I did”. Then Prophet Mohammad (SAW) ascended the tribune and gave an eloquent speech and conducted my marriage ceremony to his son. Jesus (as) bore witness as well as Prophet Mohammad (SAW) and the present disciples of Jesus (as).
My argument is : what would Prophet Mohammad (SAW) called Hazrat Issa O’ spirit of God . isn’t it some Christian concept ?
Theres a lot of reading there and I’ll be sure to get to it in a few days (after finals are done); but i’m not sure what this is? who wrote these stories?
well one thing is for sure , this site represents shia school of thought !
It is some kid bed time story but I was hoping to take it to the concept of imma'mat in next level :)
anyhow :) some other day !
Well buddy I am guessing u failed to notice that eventhough website might represent shia ideology but it still it quoted most of the hadith and references from Sahih books.. now watz the next thing u gonna say Sahih books represent shia ideology just caz u having a hard time digesting truth??????
1st of all i dont see any hadees mentioned in the story of Nargis Khatoon .
if ya wana discuss any thing bring it on , i am all willing to learn and discuss .If you can do it like a gentleman without calling names , you are most welcome .
were you refering Hadith al-Thaqalayn and Ghadir Khumm , when ya said Sahuh Books represent Shia ideology ?
