Slickstar,
Don't start a thread discussing such a controversial subject when you’re subsequently just going to act like an immature child. Obviously the choice of having an abortion is always going to be there, and no, no matter how many people are against it this choice is not going to be taken away from us. But you need to respect other people’s opinions and their religious beliefs. You held a good argument but your last post completely undermined any intellect you showed.
let alone religion. it has nothing to do with religion! it has to do with moral. there is no good or valid argument to decide about someones life! who knows, maybe those who we killed could've become genius of this world and save mankind from such disgusting thinking. This right should be taken away, exceptions are special cases like raping.
let alone religion. it has nothing to do with religion! it has to do with moral. there is no good or valid argument to decide about someones life! who knows, maybe those who we killed could've become genius of this world and save mankind from such disgusting thinking. This right should be taken away, exceptions are special cases like raping.
What is morally incorrect to you may as well be morally beneficial to someone else.
A simple piece of advice: Always carry a bunch of condoms with you. By doing so, you will escape these perplexities of life - pro-life, pro-choice, etc.
As much as I can understand how hard it can be for some parents to raise a child out of unexpected/anticipated pregnancy, I feel that legally married couples should not abort a child unless there's a medical situation.
However, rape victims, teenage pregnancies...all these are big questions. I don't have the answers.
If the law begins to offer protection to criminal acts then that law needs to be ripped apart. It shouldnt be legal. Woman's body bla bla bla , its the child's life. life is always more important than some notion about freedom or identity.
I am not taking a position here but wanted to throw another question in the mix
how do people feel about euthanasia, for lets say very old age, dementia, major alzheimers, painful terminal illness etc.
so do we have a right to make the decision for someone else, whether it is a kid who we feel will not have a good life, or an elder who we feel will not have a good life?
its one person making the decision without the consent of someone else.
also, until the baby is born, does someone have a right to have an abortion anytime? what about a week before deivery?
at what point do we say its a living being versus when it is not? I am not looking for religious opinions but philosophical ones (that can be based in religion) but am looking for more of a description than god said so or some pope/mufti/pundit said so
When you strip it of its fancy titles given to the state, it is just a group of people. What gives them the right to use force to compel people to do things against their will?
Ill be honest, I'm against abortion. But as an individual I should have absolutely zero authority over someone else' body. Who the hell am I to forcefully stop person X what they want to do with their body? The same should apply to the very few men who proclaim to be the 'state'.
The right to self ownership is the absolute right of every human being. And by this, every woman "owns" her body. Every man and woman is free to control their own bodies without forceful interference.
I have already touched upon this in another thread, but for arguments sake lets say we all conclude that every man and woman "owns" their own body. Now, hanibal has stated that the child's life is more important that freedom and society. However, the natural rights of the mother is to claim the absolute authority of her OWN body. If the mother does get an abortion she is removing an unwanted part within her body. Even if the mother wanted to have the child up until the day before the abortion, it means zero. Nil. Zilch. The mother "owns" her own body and can do whatever she wants with any part of her own body. To claim that the state now owns a portion of the every female body is totalitarian of the highest order......
Again, every person has the right to choose. Propagate against abortion as much as you can/want. BUT, leave the individual free to decide what is best for her own body.
My views on euthanasia are identical. The state has no authority to choose who lives and who dies. The state, again, have absolutely zero rights to regulate life.The individual, as the rightful owner of his/her own body has the absolute right to decide their own fate.
so do we have a right to make the decision for someone else, whether it is a kid who we feel will not have a good life, or an elder who we feel will not have a good life?
its one person making the decision without the consent of someone else.
also, until the baby is born, does someone have a right to have an abortion anytime? what about a week before deivery?
at what point do we say its a living being versus when it is not? I am not looking for religious opinions but philosophical ones (that can be based in religion) but am looking for more of a description than god said so or some pope/mufti/pundit said so
scientifically when the heart starts pumping i guess foetus counts as being alive, that usually happens at about 20 weeks. philosophically i guess even before that if one aborts it at the premises that it isnt alive yet, one is stopping a natural process that would've resutled in a baby. i have always found the argument that saving one from misery is somewhat atheist perspective, for most religions will be intent on telling humans that you dont know whats in store for you. although you didnt ask it froma religious perspective, it is essentially a moral and ethics debate, links back to religion in a round about way.
i have had someone very close to my family go through the toughest decision in this regard, the grandmother ended up sticking to her religious perspective and didnt allow for euthenasia of the baby who was born with severe deformities, being in pakistan his future looked extremely grim, his parents had weak financial background they worked against the odds(both parents earning) and that guy has had so much luck that he received the treatments and had medical advances that aided his condition and financial change of scene in his family. lastly i think it takes alot of courage but it leaves hope for humanity and medical advances and social adjustments are required. allows for social progresses as a whole.
true, what we dont know we dont know. the natural process though is a very interesting premise, because an extreme view of that then is against any form of birth control. The day after pill which prevents pregnancy (does not end it) is also stopping a natural process..or a potential natural process.
I am not disagreeing, but this is a very interesting conversation if people just look at different viewpoints on their merits.
When you strip it of its fancy titles given to the state, it is just a group of people. What gives them the right to use force to compel people to do things against their will?
Ill be honest, I'm against abortion. But as an individual I should have absolutely zero authority over someone else' body. Who the hell am I to forcefully stop person X what they want to do with their body? The same should apply to the very few men who proclaim to be the 'state'.
The right to self ownership is the absolute right of every human being. And by this, every woman "owns" her body. Every man and woman is free to control their own bodies without forceful interference.
I have already touched upon this in another thread, but for arguments sake lets say we all conclude that every man and woman "owns" their own body. Now, hanibal has stated that the child's life is more important that freedom and society. However, the natural rights of the mother is to claim the absolute authority of her OWN body. If the mother does get an abortion she is removing an unwanted part within her body. Even if the mother wanted to have the child up until the day before the abortion, it means zero. Nil. Zilch. The mother "owns" her own body and can do whatever she wants with any part of her own body. To claim that the state now owns a portion of the every female body is totalitarian of the highest order......
Again, every person has the right to choose. Propagate against abortion as much as you can/want. BUT, leave the individual free to decide what is best for her own body.
is the child not human 24 hours before it is out of the womb?
what soemone does with their body is their business, but in this unique case, is the child not a living being.. a sentient being..
and in doing so, are you making a decision ntot o just do something to your body but also to someone else's body.
I am wondering what would you do if u r in a situation where you see a person jumping off the bridge and commiting suicide.... You know you are very close and you know you can go up to the person and stop him from commiting suicide.
is the child not human 24 hours before it is out of the womb?
what soemone does with their body is their business, but in this unique case, is the child not a living being.. a sentient being..
and in doing so, are you making a decision ntot o just do something to your body but also to someone else's body.
just food for thought, and for discussion :)
Once a baby has reached a stage where it can live and survive outside the womb, it is considered a human being.