Re: Abortion is legal?
Not (inheritence righst) according to the findings of the human right’s report. Anyways, purpose of this thread is to discuss and establish the right to abortion, now if that is permissaable in mesyar contracts then it is also permissable under normal marriage contracts cause the principle of killing a foetus remains the same.
Re: Abortion is legal?
anything/everything is legal outside of islamic stupidity. :p
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EDIT: learn to talk with respect
Re: Abortion is legal?
Rules and regulations stipulating conditions required for a legal abortion are given as follows. Please note, this is just for information to clarify certain misconceptions regarding the complete inadmissability of the right to abort.
SAUDI ARABIA. Rules of implementation for Regulations of the practice of medicine and dentistry: Ministerial Resolution No. 218/17/L of
SECTION (2)
Physician's/Dentist's Responsibilities to Patients
ARTICLE (24)
A physician is prohibited to perform an abortion of a pregnant woman unless an abortion is deemed the only course of action that is apt to save her life. Nevertheless, a physician may perform an abortion if the pregnancy is less than four months old and it is proven beyond doubt that continued pregnancy gravely endangers the mother's health provided such facts are supported by a resolution of a medical committee that is formed in accordance with conditions and stipulations specified by the rules of implementation of these regulations.
24.1.L. Resolution No. 140 dated 20.6.1407H by the Committee of Senior Ulema stipulated as follows:
(1) Pregnancy in any of its stages may not be aborted except when legally (according to Islamic laws) justified and within very narrow limitations.
** (2) In the first forty days of pregnancy, and if abortion is deemed necessary to accomplish a legal benefit or to prevent an expected harm, abortion may be allowed. However, abortion is not allowed during this state for fear of hardship in child upbringing or inability to secure cost of living, education or future or if the parents decide that they have enough children**.
(3) Abortion in the embryo stage is not allowed unless an approved medical committee decides that continuation of pregnancy endangers the mother's safety and could possibly lead to her death. In such cases, abortion shall be allowed if all means to eliminate the danger are exhausted to no avail.
(4) After the third stage where pregnancy is over four months, abortion is not allowed unless and until a panel of approved specialists diagnose that continuation of pregnancy will cause the mother's death and all means to eliminate the danger are exhausted to no avail.
Abortion is allowed under these conditions to avoid the gravest of two dangers and to accomplish the better of two benefits.
24.2.L. The Director of a hospital that has a maternity section shall form a committee of not less than three consultant (or specialist) members, one of whom shall be a consultant (or specialist) in the discipline that covers the illness that prompted recommendation to terminate the pregnancy. This committee shall prepare a report showing the type of confirmed hazard that threatens the mother's health in case of continued pregnancy and this report shall be signed by all committee members and approved by the hospital director.
If abortion is recommended, the circumstances shall be explained to the patient, her husband or her guardian and their written consent shall be obtained in accordance with Form (9)-Page (41).
Part (5)
Closing Provisions
ARTICLE (40)
These regulations supercede any conflicting provisions.
Re: Abortion is legal?
good to see that a country that still uses hijri calendar on official documents, issues its rules and regulations in english....
Re: Abortion is legal?
For those (PCG in particular) who doubted the veracity or source of this story, here’s the link from Saudi Gazette. According to Saudi law (Sharia0 abortion is permissable within 120 days ie 4months, in this case the husband (Imam) made sure that abortion was forced within the stipulated period. Only problem here is that law requires BOTH parties to agree, which was not done in this case. Sharia juddge deferring judgement to God is a copout and goes o show how pathetically lopsided Saudi society is.
http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/sgazette/Data/2005/9/7/Art_259955.XML
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A SHARIAH court judge has issued a controversial verdict in a case involving a woman whose husband, an Imam of a mosque, had resorted to abortion pills and also physical assault to end her pregnancy, a report said Tuesday.
The ruling by a judge in the Riyadh district court was that the husband should repent and seek Allah s forgiveness for his deceitful act, the Arabic daily Al-Hayat reported.
The wife was shocked by the verdict. Other judges and lawyers were appalled as well.
The woman said she would appeal against it. She wants the court to punish her husband for the crimes he has committed against her.
In her lawsuit, the plaintiff, a 25-year-old woman identified by Al-Hayat only by the initials A.S., described the Imam as the first man in her life.
She said she did not know much about her husband except that he works as an Imam of a mosque in Riyadh. She was encouraged to accept him and be his second wife only because he was an Imam, she told Al-Hayat.
Although he was always busy with his first wife and children I never thought of deserting him because he was the first man in my life, the paper quoted her as saying. But these feelings didn t last long because of his maltreatment.
She described her life after marriage. He ordered me not to tell anyone in the neighborhood that I am his wife or even utter his name. He totally neglected me to the extent that I had to ask the driver to get me breakfast in Ramadan from one of the charities in the neighborhood.
She said that when he came to know she was in her third month of pregnancy he told her in straightforward Arabic to get an abortion.
On hearing this, she fled to her family in Tabuk.
After a few days he came all the way to Tabuk to apologize for his misconduct. He promised he would change his ways and convinced me to accompany him to Riyadh.
When they arrived in Riyadh, she was surprised to find that he had rented a small flat one room and a toilet on the roof of a building, for her.
From the moment we arrived in Riyadh he started mistreating me and exerting great pressure on me to terminate my pregnancy, she said. When I refused, he resorted to a trick. He replaced the pills prescribed by the doctor with others that induce abortion.
The abortion pills affected her health..
Because of the new pills I developed some complications like difficulty in breathing. This compelled him to take me to Al-Hamadi Hospital where he was told the baby was all right but its heartbeat was weak.
Despite this, he pressed for my discharge under the pretext that he would take me to another hospital. The doctor agreed to discharge me after he signed an undertaking relieving the hospital from any responsibility in case I developed any complications.
Then came the gruesome part.
Instead of taking me to another hospital, he took me to the tiny flat and there he exercised all the acrobat drills he could muster and jumped on my abdomen until he killed the fetus. I was bleeding and (in hospital) the doctors operated on me to clean the uterus and stop the hemorrhage.
More suffering was to come for the woman.
Immediately after I was discharged from the hospital he divorced me and sent me back to my family, she said in her complaint.
She said that despite the evident physical and psychological damage he had caused her, the verdict was very lenient as if he had not committed any crime that necessitated punishment.
Ibrahim Yahiya Al-Hakami, a legal advisor, said the repentance ordered by the judge was simply abstract and rules out any concrete punishment. The elements and the motive of the crime committed on the poor wife are evident there is no doubt about it especially since he has admitted to having given her medicines that led to the termination of her pregnancy.
Sheikh Ibrahim Al-Harbi, former chief judge of Najran, said that in such a case, the judge should pass the repentance verdict only if the defendant drops the case and claims her right to seek compensation