Abortion....."Evil" or "Woman's Right"?

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Originally posted by ahmadjee:
**Does anyone have any statistics on why women go through abortion?! How many % are rape victims? How many are teenagers not wanting one? How many go through it due to medical reasons as advised by the doctor?

Anyone?**

well I would post the statistics, but don't ever trust them. Because statistics are ment to manipulate what ever the researcher wants the results to be.......For instance if he wants to tell people that Ferrari is the best car in the world......He would go and talk to people that own Ferrari.... You get what I am sayin?

I am pro-life. If I do not have the right to kill my child when he is a day old, I don't have the right to take away his/her life when he/she is conceived. It's not about the right of the woman its about the right of the baby.

How can baby have a right, when its just a bunch of cells? I mean he can't not think for himself......Hell! I couldn't even go buy cigrettes till I was 18, because I wasn't LEGAL enough did not have that right because I couldn't think right for myself.....

The only one reason where I can think of abortion is doctor advised medical reason where the life of mother is in danger.

  • I totally agree on that one*

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>>>How can baby have a right, when its just a bunch of cells? I mean he can't not think for himself......Hell! I couldn't even go buy cigrettes till I was 18, because I wasn't LEGAL enough did not have that right because I couldn't think right for myself.....<<<

It's a matter of perception I suppose. To me life begins are conception, others like yourself believe at the age 4-5 months after conception, and some argue its actually when he/she is out of the womb.

Please do post the statistics. I am sure for a case like abortion, there would be many conflicting statistics. :)

Another question: If the woman has the 'right' to abort a child, does a man has the right to abort his child too? Regardless of what the woman says? Afterall, its his baby too! No?

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Lahorie,

Im afraid to be wasting time writing complex things for you might not get it

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More than you i have been born & lived & studied in America …Since when your banal concept becomes “AMerican”.

America has bagged many Nobel in Sciences so it is considered Scientifically reputable place for you to be blurping “only Dolphin & Human”…which is a big joke for any h.s, biology student for there is no such reason in science for your diatribe.

In America SOME ppl. Have I.Q. at the lowest 60 Being American & Dumb is NOT INCOMPITIBLE .is

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it ?

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Even if you were brought up in a cave ,your argument is baseless but you r entitled to your life opinions .Respect is somthing else to be earned

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And this one time at band camp…ahem ahem
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When a child is concieved in the womb...he/she maybe just a "bunch of molecules"...but he/she has a soul...

Abortion = Killing
Killing = Evil

Be it a day old in the womb or 35 yr old on the street...both have a soul..both the right to live...

Is it progress when a cannibal uses a knife and fork?

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It’s incompatible. The ironies of life…

Sometimes the less we say, the more intelligent we appear.

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Originally posted by MadCon:
**When a child is concieved in the womb...he/she maybe just a "bunch of molecules"...but he/she has a soul...

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A 'bunch of molecules' can also be the toenail you cut off or an unfertilized egg - do they both represent souls? IMHO, one has to use a more technical definition of life - a 'bunch of molecules' don't constitute life.

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Nobel
You really mean to say Americans Hoover,Ashcroft,Jim Bakers ,&Likes were & Are NOT compatible Americana?

You can HIDE your Incompetence but CANT prove your smartness .

“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards.” – Unknown

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Nobel

You r yet one of those who have no idea what is the difference between CELLS & Molecules?

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Organic molecules make up cells. But they are still molecules aren’t they? The post I objected to said molecules, not cells. And even then, does a red blood cell from your body have a soul?

Why you gettin’ mad at me Mr.?

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Originally posted by Azad Munna:
** Nobel
You really mean to say Americans Hoover,Ashcroft,Jim Bakers ,&Likes were & Are NOT compatible Americana?

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I have no idea what you are talking about. (Must be my limited English skills.) In any case, I was merely correcting the high-IQ lady's spelling of incompatible.

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I know its hard to check your urges Maharani with your Dates ,but premarital is whole lot of trouble just watch the public service announcement.This might help you tide over before you can find someone to marry you .

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From an islamic point of view: Abortion is wrong!

But then, people who have pre-martial sex might not consider the islamic point of view anyway.

I'd like to post an article, which I found on a website. If you'd want me to send you the link, PM or e-mail me (hint to the Mods: I'm not posting the link directly.)

Would You Consider Abortion In The Following Four Situations?
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a.. There's a preacher and a wife who are very, very poor. They already have14 kids. Now she finds out she's pregnant with 15th. They're living in tremendous poverty. Considering their poverty, and the excessive world population, would you consider recommending she get an abortion?

b.. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. The first is blind, the second is dead, the third is deaf, the fourth has TB. She finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider recommending abortion?

c.. A white man raped a 13-year-old black girl and she got pregnant. If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?

d.. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married. Her fiancée is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset. Would you consider recommending abortion?

In the First Case . .
a.. In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley; one of the great evangelists in the 18th century and the founder of Methodism

b.. In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.

c.. In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black gospel singer.

d.. If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just recommended the murder of Jesus Christ!
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Umer, the Pakistani Brain of Austria

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HHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHH!
So I guess you talk from personal experience…Well, you know you like to sleep hey whatever rocks your boat…Besides one more thing I didn’t say anything about me getting into premarital sex…Don’t make assumptions…

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And this one time at band camp…ahem ahem
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[quote]
Originally posted by Umer:
Would You Consider Abortion In The Following Four Situations?

a.. There's a preacher and a wife who are very, very poor. They already have14 kids. Now she finds out she's pregnant with 15th. They're living in tremendous poverty. Considering their poverty, and the excessive world population, would you consider recommending she get an abortion?

** Poverty is not the fault of the child in the woman womb. With an abortion she is not going to be any poor than she is now or improve her situation. **

b.. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. The first is blind, the second is dead, the third is deaf, the fourth has TB. She finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider recommending abortion?
** No. She would be very stupid to kill her fifth child who might be born perfect. **

c.. A white man raped a 13-year-old black girl and she got pregnant. If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
** Maybe in the first week of pregnency. **

d.. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married. Her fiancée is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset. Would you consider recommending abortion?
** No **

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Lahorie

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There are many rules which are not written& many things you dont write but you mean…its given in intelligent ppls conversation.So what i comprehend about you is logical conclusions of your post not necessarily in exactly your word but what you logically deductively mean

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You dont want to have children yet "Cant hardly wait to get it on that pleasure of garden of eden " why marry thenor better why delay for foolish piece of paper in your lingo “sex is real & pleasure ..a piece of paper is meaningless”

Marriage is to sanctify birth of legitimate child & insurence promise to that child of your promise to look after him/her

If you emphasize the pleaure part overwhelmingly over the pURPOSE of moral & legitimacy then pre marital or post marital for you is same .ISN’T IT ?

Either you are against killing product of love or you have opnly LUST & no love !

How else simpler can i make it for below 60 i.q.

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WOW

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You know me so well, ahhhh so your that stalker outside of my house

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And you are truely right…I don’t love, I don’t know what love is, I don’t wish to experience it, I don’t like it, I don’t think it even exists, I don’t even want to look at that word…

So I guess now all I have left is my cold-heart, that thinks killing is not evil.

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NaasPeeta day satoo muk gaye
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[quote]
Originally posted by Nobel:
** A 'bunch of molecules' can also be the toenail you cut off or an unfertilized egg - do they both represent souls? IMHO, one has to use a more technical definition of life - a 'bunch of molecules' don't constitute life.

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I said "concieved"...toe nails aren't "concieved" now are they?
Nor am I talking about an unfertalized egg...from teh moment of conception the egg IS fertilized!

Is it progress when a cannibal uses a knife and fork?

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Originally posted by MadCon:
** I said "concieved"...toe nails aren't "concieved" now are they?
Nor am I talking about an unfertalized egg...from teh moment of conception the egg IS fertilized!

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Isn't conception just an arbitrary point? Shouldn't there be a more precise definition of what constitutes life than just the ability for cells to multiply?

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Originally posted by Nobel:
** Isn't conception just an arbitrary point? Shouldn't there be a more precise definition of what constitutes life than just the ability for cells to multiply?**
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Nebul(ous)

Conception is defined biologically when ovum unites sucessfully with a sperm there by giving rise to Zygote .The fertilized egg!

Now which part is "ARBITIRARY" to dimwitts.

You cant pin a defenition of conception more precisely than this!

Its not just egg ,not just another cell,not just sperm ,not just multiplyin cells ,...&etc.etc.

You must have heard this if you r muslim spl. if you r in Pakistan!
Rabbee zidnee`ilmaa'
My Lord! Increase me in knowledge.[20:114]

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