Abdullah ibn Saba - The Myth Exposed

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Re: Abdullah ibn Saba - The Myth Exposed

@binAadam

lol, even if I accept your argument the two witnesses come from Ahkaam and not 'Aqeedah as your so called 'Aqeedah of Imamat is, so get a life, find your Imams in the real world.

Wow! so Ahkam e Ilahi can be rejected according to you guys now! As for Imamate in Quran, then as i have said, unlike to your pathetic logic of few people selecting kind of this mankind lol, there are verses in Quran that clearly shows that only Allah can appoint guide/imam.

What is Ahlul Bayt in Quran?
Does Quran say anywhere that 'Ali is Ahlul Bayt or his wife and children are Ahlul Bayt of Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam?

One of the popular female character of your school has narrated the incident of the revealation of last part of verse 33:33, making it clear as to who is included in Ahlulbayt [as] and who isnt.

Your so called Imams are Ahlul Bayt of 'Ali not of Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam?

This is the first time I am reading such a pathetic thing. Even some of the prominent Sunni scholars too have not rejected the Imams being from the Ahlulbayt [as] of Prophet [s] but here comes a Mufti, with his insane logics.

By the way who are Ahlul Bayt of Ali in your Treasury of Shi’ism? Zakirs and Maatamis who beat themselves up for crimes their forefathers have done

If according to your insane logic, doing matam is the sign of crimes committed by one’s forefather then would you be kind enough to tell me the crimes of Ayesh’as forefathers, since she was beating her face along with other women at the time of Prophet’s death.

lol, once again pathetic response. ‘Umar was a Believer though he didn’t believe in Khulafa Rashideen. Their being Khulafa is a fact, since all Muslims accepted them as their Khulafa, we also accept them, we are not Kharijites like Shi’ites to build Masjid Zaraar against Believers. We don’t get cut off from the Ijma’ of Ummah. Khulafa of Rashideen don’t make up our 'Aqeedah, get another life, lol.

Since I am not amongst the follower of those who kept prostating idols to the half of their lives, rather I am from the followers of Baab ul Ilm, hence do not ever try to play games with me According to Sunnies, if somone doesnt believe in the caliphate , oh no, in the “imamate” of Shaykhain, he is Kaafir, and yet you are bringing stupid excuses that it doesnt make uo your aqeedah!!! Take some examples:

Sunni author in his anti-Shia book quoting from various Hanafi authority works declares the rejecter of their caliphs to be Kaafir. For example he quotes from Barjundi Sharah Naqayah, Volume 4 page 21 published in Lucknow which quoted Fatwa e Zaheeriya:

“The rejecter of the Imamate of Siddiq Akbar [ra] is Kaafir and some have said that such a person is ill-madhab and not a Kaafir while the correct view is that he is Kaafir and similarly the rejecter of the Imamate of Farooq Azam [ra] is also Kaafir according to correct view.
… Bahar al Raiq, Volume 5 page 131 published in Egypt states that the rejecter of the Imamate and Khilafat of Abu Bakr or Umar is Kaafir”
‘Imam Ahmed Raza aur Shia Madhab’ page 53 (Ahmed Raza Publishers, Lahore)

The author cites similar kinds of edicts from Kiafaya Sharh Hidayah, Vol 1 (Bombay) and Mustakhlis al Haqaiq Shrah Kanz al Dhaqaiq, page 32 (Ahmedi publishers).

In order to show how ignorant you have been in your claim about the obligation of adhering to the imamate of yourcaliphs, let us cite the authority Sunni work ‘Hashiat al-Tahawi ala al-Maraaqi’ Volume 2 page 299:

“If somone denies the Khilafa of al-Siddiq he is kafir like the one who denied al-Isra”
Hashiat al-Tahawi ala al-Maraaq, Volume 2 page 299

We also read in ‘Sawaiq al Muhriqa’ by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Volume 1 page 138:

“The doctrine of Abu Hanifa may Allah be pleased with him is that whoever denies the khilafa of the Siddiq or Umar is kafir”
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If this is not suffice to show the ignorance about the belief you are trying to defend, let us further cite from ‘Al-Sawaiq al-Muhriqa’ Volume 1 page 145:

“The Hanafi Imams have declared anyone who denies the khilafa of Abu bakr and Umar may Allah be pleased of them as Kafir. the statement is recorded in al-Ghaya and other books as it is mentioned in the book of Muhammad bin al-Hassan may Allah have mercy upon him and it appear that they took the judgment from their Imam Abu Hanifa may Allah be pleased with him”
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So a beleif in your school, the rejection of which would result in Kufr, yet we do not find its bases in Quran :S

Why would I take your definition of Taqiyyah while you believe in Taqiyyah, lol?

Then you wont even take the definition of Taqqiyah from Prophet [s] and Sunni scholar since they also believed in it lol .

Was there any man among your so called Infallibles to challenge those Nasibis?Or all of them lived their lives in cowardice?

If not challenging the tyrant is cowardness according to you then I dont know what you will call Holy Prophet [s] since he kept facing opression and hardships throughout his life :S