I tis a lot more than call centers kid. It is accounting, investor relations, research-eq and FI, trade finance processing...that is where the industry is going.
Manufacturing is also taking off. Pharma, automotives, steel, it is a rosy future..
Soft goods manufacturing is also low end work. what is the issue here?
avg age of home buyers has come down 10 yrs since the opening of the economy. aaaahhhh...
You miss my point completely! You never denied it is a race to bottom.
So the poorer nations will imitate what their cousin has done in the past.
The wave of subcontracting will move from a low wage country to a still lower wage country.
Would you care to give me figures regard per capita health care expenditure of indian govt. Talk to me when your per capita annual income surpasses that of Pakistan!! You need another 50 years to get there chcha!!
So you are telling me US is worse off than it was in the 70’s and 80’s when Manu left for Mexico, japan etc. Why won’t it happen to china? Just as there is innovation in the US, there is innovation in India. The pharma industry is one example. How is this a race to the bottom?
Indian per capita income as per the UNDP report is $460 for India and $415 for pak, at PPP is $2840 while Pak is $1890..
Oh as far as healthcare is concerned. Ask lil Noor… Pak is a Low development country.
Hi Matsui!
Measuring by any yardstick, if you believe exporting of manu jobs make your country more well off, you must be living with Osama in a cave!!
I suggest you watch Lou's program on CNN exporting america for
updating your core knowledge!!
Comparing American innovation to Indian spirits of change is like comparing Barren Lands of N Canada to fertile fields of south Dakota!!!
For your information, 60% of pak economy is undocumented, so revise your per capita income by same ratio if you don't want to campare oranges to apples.
Even if i accept your figures without any further research, the difference between India and Pakistan is $45 per year.(Heck i spend more money on a decent lunch with my boss than that!). Certainly this is the exact difference between a first world and third world country. Therefore, thank you for taking the air out of indian balloon here. I certianly feel less intimidated by your country.
Again the only solace you can get is that Pak is worse off than yourself(comparing health care expenditures). This is heck of a way for a would be super power to progress. Grow out of your Telu Ram mentality!!! (Putting others down to life yourself up)There is nothing uplifting and positive in that approach. Gee and then they talk about change and innovation in India!
Belle Belle!!!
Thaks
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You miss my point completely! You never denied it is a race to bottom.
So the poorer nations will imitate what their cousin has done in the past.
The wave of subcontracting will move from a low wage country to a still lower wage country.
Would you care to give me figures regard per capita health care expenditure of indian govt. Talk to me when your per capita annual income surpasses that of Pakistan!! You need another 50 years to get there chcha!!
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Ofcourse poorer nations will try to imitate. Just like pakistan trying to create an export oriented IT. But to succeed, some infrastr has to come together. I know companies that have experimented with call centers in Manila and it has not been a pleasurable experience. Guess what, their prez is visiting India nect week to plan a move.
Oh and one more thing - let's see how many engineers, microbiologists, financial analysts and physicians these 'poorer cousins' can produce to compete with India in the medium term. Any idea?
Don't talk about per capita income - check any factual source and you will find India per capita income is higher than pakistans.
Textile, printer mechanisms, steel, auto parts .... these are not manufacture? First look up some reputed book about what Indian industrial exports before broadsweeping about manufacturing jobs.
You Indians and your call centers.
Big F ing deal... When my mouse does'nt work, I call Microsoft Help and maybe the guy picking up the phone is in Banglore. Big deal, who the hell cares, anyone can do that job. There is a Convergys 10 minutes from my house and to work there all you have to do is walk into the door, no one wants to work at a place like that. It takes no skill at all. As soon as Indians get a decent wage in the industry they can move the call center to Nigeria or Bangladeh, you need almost no knowledge to tell some jackass in the States to plug in his computer's power bar before he tries to go on the internet. I mean for gods sakes, you people act like having call centers means everyone in South India is an MIT graduate and eats wine, cheese and lobster daily.
it is not just call center jobs others also follow
This shifting of more sophisticated work to India comes on the heels of a rush of call center and other back-office nonmanufacturing jobs here, and is seen by many experts as yet another phase in the latest drift of jobs to low-cost countries that began in the early 1990’s with Silicon Valley companies.
Needham, Mass., said "a junior sell-side research analyst from an Ivy League school costs $150,000 a year to the company, while an Indian equivalent from a top business school would cost $35,000 a year
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/08/business/worldbusiness/08rese.html
This report is a lie. :nook:
^ I agree with my Pakistani ;) brother Kareem that this report is a lie ahahhaha
But seriously everyone knows taht most of these jobs are things like Call Centers. Why anyone would brag about working in a call center is baffling to me. (but maybe I just don't get it)
Also I read Matsui bragging before about India's Per Capita GNP being higher than Pakistans. I mean seriosuly fellows it's time to grow up, you are not in kindergarten talking about my dad beating up your dad. Wake up, you are 127th on the list and we are 144th. Congratulations you are only 30 spots behind the Occupied Palestinian Territories and only 50 behind Jamaica. Wow, that is sure something you want to brag about, ahhahahaha congratulations. So what if Pakistan is at the bottem of the list, that does'nt imrove your situation any.
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You Indians and your call centers.
Big F ing deal... When my mouse does'nt work, I call Microsoft Help and maybe the guy picking up the phone is in Banglore. Big deal, who the hell cares, anyone can do that job. There is a Convergys 10 minutes from my house and to work there all you have to do is walk into the door, no one wants to work at a place like that. It takes no skill at all. As soon as Indians get a decent wage in the industry they can move the call center to Nigeria or Bangladeh, you need almost no knowledge to tell some jackass in the States to plug in his computer's power bar before he tries to go on the internet. I mean for gods sakes, you people act like having call centers means everyone in South India is an MIT graduate and eats wine, cheese and lobster daily.
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you miss the point probably on purpose but I'll do my duty and earn my RAW bonus.
High skill jobs come to India because Indians are better in quality and price.
low skill jobs come to India because Indians can be trusted and price.
If you consider CISCO high tech, you have to agree that where their code is written has to be pretty high tech and good.
And this may come as a shock to you but with your attitude, I don't think they'll hire you in a call center - atleast not in the quality ones in India
^Thomas, I mean no insult to the good people of the telemarketing industry. I mean if that's your thing it's cool, if it is a respected job in India good for you guys. But where I am from (Canada) people who work at places like Convergys don't brag about their jobs, maybe it's a cultural difference. Believe me, in Canada to work in a call center all you have to do is show up and ask for a job.
As for the stuff about India having other hi-tech jobs, I'm sure it's true and good for you.
^ At a personal level one may have any opinion about any job. I may consider designing nuclear reactors below my capability and can insist on working only on impulse engines.
But I cannot go deride another for 'just midning the phone' or 'taking dictation'.
Obviously people take up call center jobs because either they like it or need it. Either case, believe me: if you don't approach it without the correct attitude you are going to fail. I'd also guess the number of handicapped people employed in call centers is higher than in other industries.
Why deride a profession as long as it's honest?
MOst people who work in Call centers in India are kids fresh out of school. It is their first job. It is not a career. Turnover is like $0% in some cities in INdia. But compare that to the turnover of 200% in some American cities.
This is a youth driven industry. When someone works for COnvergys, Spectramind, I-OneSOurce in INdia, they work for the equivalent of ORacle, Microsft, etc..in the US.
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Believe me, in Canada to work in a call center all you have to do is show up and ask for a job.
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Then why is Canada's unemployment is at highest level since Dec 2001. ?
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i'm moving it to Business and Economics for now, but I really don't see how it fits into a Pakistani Discussion Forum.
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Babs, reading about any highly successful man is good for us yuppies. Premji has eschewed profiteering over idealism and hard work. This is something they don't teach you at Harvard. As they say, after your first billion stop counting the pennies and start counting the ways in which you can make every penny work for society. Ok, I said it, but do note Premji has the same values as moi.