A Zionist visitor

[AlexB]

Alex Khazar: Even the first two letters of the word Zionism are the last two letters of the word NAZI.

[sarcasm] Now, that is a truly valid argument!! Unbeatable logic! [/sarcasm]

Alex Khazar: Aren't Fatah people Palestinians too? Why then did you say that Palestinians rejected 2 state solution?

Please, re-read my original post. I wrote "Two states for two peoples". This is the solution endorsed by the UN, the International community, etc. Not "two states for one people" or any other variant. The Arabs already have 21 states. If they want to create 2, 3, or 100 more states for themselves, it is their personal issue. As long as none of the proposed states is a Jewish state, it is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand.

[AlexB]

India and we Indians acknowledge the right of Israel to exist.

Thank you for that.

[Ma_Mooli]

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^ it is not Isreal's, but palestine's existance that we need to acknowledge.

[psyah]

@AlexB

I If I've misunderstood you about the non-starter issue, please feel free to tell me what you consider "a starter".

Peace AlexB

You have a knack for not comprehending what is being said. I said that you misunderstood me and then I answered you straight away ... now you ask me as though it is some sort of pending topic .... You want the starter question then you need to realise that by forcefully or by coersion taking over a land is not the same as God blessing the Jews with the Chosen Land. The whole idea of Zionism is mute if you do not acknowledge God. If you are an atheist Zionist then it should not matter to you where you build Zion. Go to Poland, Germany and Russia to do this, and see if they love you enough to make you home there.

@AlexB

If you offer an admiration that Muslims get from "the whole of mankind", then I excuse me, I'll have to pass. Not much of an improvement. BTW, we've heard this tune from Christians as well. "If only you have accepted Jesus..."

It is simple ... be just ... and you will be loved by God, the love of people will come about and for sure there will be those evil people who will not love you.

@AlexB

Now, this is an interesting point. Are others - Jews, Christians, or Hindus - justified in honoring the international law only if it agrees with their religious beliefs? Or is this prerogative reserved exlusively for the Muslims?

What are you talking about? Are you trying to put words in my mouth? Just read back to my point and really take it in before you respond next time please.

@AlexB

Sorry, but according to all accounts, I am a son Jacob (aka Israel). This is the name of my people - Bnei Israel (aka Jacob).

No you are not

[AlexB]

Peace AlexB

You have a knack for not comprehending what is being said. I said that you misunderstood me and then I answered you straight away ... now you ask me as though it is some sort of pending topic .... You want the starter question then you need to realise that by forcefully or by coersion taking over a land is not the same as God blessing the Jews with the Chosen Land. The whole idea of Zionism is mute if you do not acknowledge God. If you are an atheist Zionist then it should not matter to you where you build Zion. Go to Poland, Germany and Russia to do this, and see if they love you enough to make you home there.

First of all, it has nothing to do with God. Zionism started as a secular national liberation movement. The religious Zionism branch was a later development. I should also point out that the Zionists did not employ coercion or forceful taking over the land until the Arabs attempted a forceful expulsion of Jews from Palestine. Until then, the Jews either settled in uninhabited areas or bought the land from Arab landowners.
Again, the religious concept of the Promised Land is not the basis of Zionism (except for the religious branch). The history is the basis of Zionism. The land of Israel/Palestine is the birthplace and the homeland of the Jewish people. It is analogous to the Palestinian liberation movement. Palestine is not promised to Palestinians by God, but it is a homeland of the Palestinian people. To suggest that Jews should have their state in Poland is the same as suggesting that Palestinians should have their state in Canada.
I should also point out that about 50% of Israeli Jews are not Ashkenazim. What is their relation to Poland?

It is simple ... be just ... and you will be loved by God, the love of people will come about and for sure there will be those evil people who will not love you.

It so happens that those who don't love us NOW are evil people. Again, not much of a change.

What are you talking about? Are you trying to put words in my mouth? Just read back to my point and really take it in before you respond next time please.

OK, let's see. You wrote,

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Of course Muslims will not care about international law if it breaches civil rights and the laws of God.

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Now, what constitutes "the laws of God" depends on one's religious beliefs. So, are others - Jews, Christians, or Hindus - justified in honoring the international law only if it agrees with what what they believe to be "the law of God"? Or is this a prerogative reserved exclusively for the Muslims?

No you are not

Surely, I am. I'm one of Bnei Israel, a Jew. I assume you know that Israel as another name of Jacob. Hence, the name Bnei Israel (or "sons of Jacob"). Obviously, "Jacob" is a mythological figure rather than a historical one, but the existence of a people, which has called itself "sons of Jacob" for the last ~3,000 years and has originated in the Land of Israel/Palestine is a historical fact. I'm one of them. Nice to meet you.

[Obama]

@Obama

Hi Alex,

Sholom!

I believe there was a holocaust and that 6 million Jews were Gased or killed in the camps built by Germans…that was a most horrific crime.

What I cannot believe is that the State of Israel accepted 2 or 4 Billion dollars in compensation for those killings. Jews are known to be much smarter than that…that was a poor bargain…

Those 6 million Jews had homes and businesses in Germany.

Why not claim the Jewish properties back from the defeated Germany and let the Jews settle in Germany where they belong!

There is only 3 or 4 million Jews in Israel right now, if they all go back and live in the Jewish places in Germany on their own…walaa

no more Arab Israeli Conflict…:k:

No more Armageddon either…

Whats up AlexB…

No response to any of the above comments?

[chintu_bhopali]

Well, in my eyes, Zionism is a very righteous cause. In fact, I believe that any decent person should be a Zionist sympathizer. Then again, from my experience "Zionism" is frequently used as a curse word to describe all kind of crazy things that have nothing to do with Zionism in reality. I guess you and me have a very different idea about what Zionism is.

welcome alex..now mosad(you) and RAW(me) will work together.:)

[Arleitter]

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Israel has garnered the second position as biggest arms supplier to India

INDIA-ISRAEL FRIENDSHIP PAINDABAD

[mercenary2k]

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Pakistan needs to have diplomatic relations with Israel just like Turkey has.

Palestinian problem is not a religious problem but a territorial one similar to Kashmir.

And thus, we cannot be more hostile to Israel than Arab countries.

We must be neutral but support a peace process, just like Turkey.

[queer]

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as an atheist, your only claim to zionism is your semitic ancestry. as a scientist, i am sure you can appreciate the fact that arabs share the exact same semitic ancestry as native jews of israel. genetic studies have turned this up time and again. and hence these arabs have equal, if not more of a claim to the land than ashkenazis like yourself.

anyway i don't get why pakistanis are so hung-ho about hating on zionism when pakistan is pretty much the same deal - a country created by brits after displacing 10 million native people and killing another million in the name of religion. a muslim israel.

[dhj786]

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This thread just further proves how anti-Semitic and intolerant many parts of Pakistani society can be.

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anyway i don't get why pakistanis are so hung-ho about hating on zionism when pakistan is pretty much the same deal - a country created by brits after displacing 10 million native people and killing another million in the name of religion. a muslim israel.
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Just another example of Muslims acting like victims, while ignoring the fact that almost every Muslim country on the planet continues to persecute non-Muslims.

[Jaanwar]

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^ and you sir are a perfect example of tolerance and respect.

Not just that, you are a walking and talking promotion for quality condoms :k:

[dhj786]

@Jaanwar

^ and you sir are a perfect example of tolerance and respect.

Not just that, you are a walking and talking promotion for quality condoms :k:

Truth hurts, doesn’t it? I’m not the one praising Hitler like one of your “brothers” has done in this thread. You probably think the Jamaat fanatics are wonderful representations of Islam, right?

[Himalaya]

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@Nosherwan

You both have something in common.

**You both persecute Muslims and illegally occupy their land.

**You are both settling your own religions in Muslim areas to change the demography.

**One day Kashmir will be a part of Pakistan and Palestine will be a part of the Arabian Peninsuala, Insha Allah.

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Did nt the Muslims go to India and ocupy that too?

What benefit will Kashmiris get being a part of Pakistan? What do we have to offer them? Pakistan has its own problems and has no intention of improving them. Will Kashmiris get better human rights in Pakistan considering our army cant be trusetd in Balochistan?

What benefit will Palestine get being part of the Middle Eastern dictatorships?

Just because they are lands where Muslims live it does not mean that life is perfect there.

[Himalaya]

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Sorry for bumping an old post but I saw a post by AlexB and saw his location as Israel so I had to be nosey and see what threads he started. Welcome!

Has any Muslim here ever been in a situation where suddenly they anounce their aith and the non-Muslims ask do you believe Bin Laden is good? Do you hate the west? Do you want to kill us all etc.

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Many times.

[h4mza]

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I think OP is a secret Mossad spy agent

[somebodycall911]

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Many times.

how have you responded?

[McPendo]

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How can you be a Jewish and an atheist at the same time? Doesn't being Jewish state that you must have a firm belief in God? If you don't believe in a God how can you be Jewish?

[goddamniamsoawesome]

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@McPendo

How can you be a Jewish and an atheist at the same time? Doesn't being Jewish state that you must have a firm belief in God? If you don't believe in a God how can you be Jewish?

I guess he means Jew as in the Jewish race (Ancestry).