I don’t know if I already posted this as a separate topic or mentioned it - blah - bad memory these days.
But earlier a few weeks ago I was having a discussion with a highly feminist girl - what some of you have called extremist feminist (never thought they actually existed, but well this one is an example).
She retorted that she can’t understand why women talk about their “right” to stay at home. She claims that both men and women are equal and thus a woman should go out and work just like a man.
Now, being a feminazi myself to some extent, I explained to her that a woman should have the right to make her own choices. Now whether that means she stays at home or goes to work - doesn’t matter - as long as its her choice.
I also tried to explain to her that many females want to stay at home, and that this is their right, since they are birthing and raising children - and that this can be very demanding, and some women may not want additional responsibilities.
Funny thing is that this girl is trying to have a baby with her boyfriend - of course she wont marry him, but that’s a side issue…
I can’t wait until she has one. I’d like to see her work and take care of the baby at the same time and say its all a piece of cake.
PCG - I meet quite a few and I think they are a pain in the a$$, basically attention getters even if it is negative. You have it right, it is all about having the choice and being able to make the choice to stay home or to work for both men and women.
But women have the right to make the** choice **for themselves if it is something they should or should not do. If they are with another person, then that person should also be allowed to have a say, but ultimately working, having kids, staying home are choices only of the individual who is doing them.
I personally would allow a man I married more of a say, but that was again, my choice to. If that is the way you think (it's not bad, not good, just your way :) ) then make sure that you find a wife who agrees with your philosophy. But making that choice for all women is overreaching, don't you think?
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u can never have one rule applicable to all the human race....
but generally they shud be at home....
i find it an oppression that women have to suffer the labor pains, the taking care of children, home and then go out to work as well....
if they dont have someone to support them (husband, father, brother, son etc) then i think they wud be forced to earn for themselves but if not required, why shud they suffer more????
labor pains dont last you a lifetime. ever hear of maternity benefits?
taking care of children and home is a task that can be divided up. unless men are all lazy bums.
if a woman decides to work/not work based on whats good for her family, it is her own decision. feminazis and mullahs can go crosspollinate each others holy behinds.
Minah: There are thousands of choices…One choice always supercedes the previous one…
Many kids choose to use drugs, have tattoos and piercings, indulge in reckless behavior…
Would you allow your kids to do something which you morally found offensive?
I too believe in choices, but choices shouldn’t come at a price which involves abandoning one’s restrictions imposed upon by one’s faith…
It is anyone’s choice to do whatever they wish, however man’s desires never end and his unhappiness is bottomless…
Every religion restricts your desire because let’s face it, if it wasn’t for certain moral restrictions, we’d all be living like animals…And animals act on nothing more than their instincts, which many humans do after relieving themselves of restrictions in the name of ‘choices’…
Man desi women all have it way too good. If you try to get them to go out and work theyre the first ones to invoke their right to stay at home and the right to let their asses grow bigger.
A woman's rights must be set by the woman herself. If she is happily living her life, then no one should insist her to change his life style.
Women working for their rights are a sort of smart women willing to prove something. Sometimes, they help a lot for women who suffers, otherwise they are trying to make it easy for women to suffer.....
lajawab - so what on earth are you saying here, please be clear. Are you saying it is a moral thing to restrict one's rights or a religious one?
Just for the record, I have worked almost my whole entire life with brief (6 month periods) absences after giving birth. With the help of my husband (yes, it is important for men to help raise kid, after all they are 50% responsible for their existance) and our families we raised those two kids to be healthy, responsible, mature Muslims.
Working/not working is not the problem and restricting the right of someone to work if they feel like it is not the answer to problems within a family. It is a band-aid at best and can lead to resentment and strife at worse. Just as in the case of slavery, somethings are morally wrong and are corrected by man even though in the Quran and in the Bible it would be acceptable. There is a vast difference in culture now and culture (in your case) 1400 years ago. Restricting the rights of someone simply because they have a womb and have children is morally wrong. Staying home with the children rather than working is a personal choice, not a key to someone's character.
If you want a woman to stay at home with the children and you are willing to support her, then by all means, do that, find the girl for that job. But then expecting everyone else to have the same religous and moral standards as yourself is not realistic, judging people (women) as bad parents or as not being religious enough for working after having children is unfair and also not realistic.
Umer - I agree, my friend :) especially the last two sentences.
How about 2 million Mr Moms in America...According to a study men are preferring in US during the last 2 decades to stay at home & raise the kids ,while their wives are the income source...To examplify our family Physician(a lady doctor) is the bread winner of her family...while her husband(a PhD from Harvard,who used to teach),stays at home to raise her kids...
If a woman wants to stay at home and take care for her kids and her husband has no problem with it, then it is her right as well.
On the other hand, if some woman wants to work while her husband is earning enough, then again it is her right. No one (even her husband) must try to stop or convince her. Though, by our morals it is best if she stays at home and takes good care for her kids.
The only wrong situation occurs when a woman wants something and made or told to do the other. This is violation of woman rights.....In this case, as common in our society, women mostly are told to compromise. Provide that no force and pressure is there and woman was just told of it in a pleasant way (like good discussion), if a woman decide to make compromise, its her decision and no one must ever try to convince her to reverse her decision based on woman rights. Similarly, after some discussion, if woman still wants to do it her way, she again must not be subjected to some sort of poor behavior, just to make reverse her decision.
In short it is "the woman" who every one is keen to offer a better way, and if she doesn't make a selection on her will, then it is a violation of woman rights.
Now no one is 1400 year ahead or behind. If some woman wants to spend her life according to any religion then it is her right again.
Umer - I agree with everything you said, my argument about 1400 years was for lajawab's point here : "I too believe in choices, but choices shouldn't come at a price which involves abandoning one's restrictions imposed upon by one's faith..."
You made me proud and happy. After about a year, I have found some one talking about Man's right. Otherwise women rights activists have made man an ignored creature.
It is a discussion about "A Man's Rights to stay at home". Like women all men must have the same rights too. If they want to stay at home, then their wives have no right to taunt them for this. They must find some way to earn money for their husband and family. If they cannot do that, then they are violating A Man's Right and must be subjected to harsh punishments by the Government
Well thinking and having opinion is also a right too.
I don't agree much with that as well. Some things are better to be changed with time, some are not. No one can force any one to do this and that.
This thread is all about rights (so we must care for rights at least on this thread), otherwise I might also have raised points very similar to yours too.....As for faith, if a group wants to have a nude walk in the morning and ask other people to join them too, their right, and if a group wants to stay in a closed room and ask others to do so, again it is their right.
If you are not succeeding in doing what you want, just involve one woman in it and raise the issue on some woman front. In a few days you will be getting offers to host a show or to work in a movie made on woman issues.
Women have a right to choose, long as their families aren’t neglected. That goes for both of the parents. Money and personal satisfaction in my opinion should be second to familial needs.
It’s funny that in sub-Saharan Africa, women walk an average of 100 miles a week to collect firewood (in addition to giving countless births) while their men get high on toxicants. So who is to say that women cannot do outside work? The problem is that in some places in the world, women are treated worse than goats and men are brainwashed to believe that women’s place is inside the confines of her husband’s/father’s home. Which is a load of bull.