A Veto, a Kid, and a Soldier.

Recently I saw two pictures in the newspaper one was of a US soldier who was blinded in war and a 6 year old Palestinian boy killed by the Israeli forces.

These are the poor people who suffer due to terms like “war on terrorism” or “freedom struggle”.
This is the way I see it (the cyclic effect).
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Palestinians oppressed beyond break point → US helps Israel and gives them moral , financial and strategic support -->Extremist groups brain washing people to commit suicide bombing → Muslims feel persecuted and join extremist groups → Terrorist attacks happen in Israel and the US → US retaliates by attacking any country involved in attacks → More Muslims turn to extremism → Palestinians oppressed beyond break point.**

I think if this vicious circle is broken, things will simmer down. The two points where the chain can be disconnected are
a) Extremist groups brain washing people to commit suicide bombing.
b) US helps Israel and gives them moral, financial and strategic support.

Stopping extremists from taking extreme measures is more of an oxymoronic idea. But if the US stops all sort of support to Israel or sincerely solves the Palestine—Israel issue there is a good chance that terrorism will end.

1.What is beyond my comprehension is why is US putting the lives of its inhabitants at stake for Israel?
2. Why did the US Veto the UN resolution condemning Israel for Yassins murder?

MY Question to the American People is WHY?

  1. So you believe that all Islamic extremism is based on upon the hatred of Israel. That story doesn't sell well in the U.S. Do extremists use Israel hatred as a tool to recruit members? Certainly, it’s an easy sell and one doesn't have to have any intellect to believe it, with hate one never does. That doesn't mean the U.S. drops its support for Israel just because hatred for them is wide spread amongst a group of people, after all who knows what the fundamentalists will target next (that said many terror orgs. already target the U.S.). Rather than withdraw support for Israel the U.S. focuses on why this hatred exists and how it can be eliminated. Creating a Palestine state would certainly diminish this hate greatly so the U.S. presses for this goal but if this goal is achieved then the fundamentalists will lose out. They would lose a major recruiting tool, the bonding hate of Israel, and thus lose recruits and be weaken in all aspects and so they must oppose any such action that gives the Palestinians a homeland and in turn distance that possibility from occurring by using violence such as suicide bombers. And these groups have been successful, with the upswing in violence against Israel in 2001 Israel elected a right wing leader making the U.S. goal of a Palestinian state that much harder.

  2. Yassin was a slug who directly supported and organized suicide bombings.

Re: A Veto, a Kid, and a Soldier.

PKC yaar, Jewish extremism is based on hatred of anything non-Jewish. Anyone, be they Muslim or Christian who dares criticise the Zionist entity is automatically labelled "anti-semitic", to shut them up. The enitity of Israel was founded in the name of Judaism by a bunch of Jewish extremists, who will kill invade, occupy, and terrorise any Palestinian that dares to fight for their legitimate national rights. But make no mistake time is on the side of the Palestinians, and not the demographically-doomed zionist entity which is fighting a losing war that it will eventually lose, whatver barbaric terroristic tactics it employs.

Re: Re: A Veto, a Kid, and a Soldier.

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PKC yaar, Jewish extremism is based on hatred of anything non-Jewish. Anyone, be they Muslim or Christian who dares criticise the Zionist entity is automatically labelled "anti-semitic", to shut them up. The enitity of Israel was founded in the name of Judaism by a bunch of Jewish extremists, who will kill invade, occupy, and terrorise any Palestinian that dares to fight for their legitimate national rights.

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Ahhh is that the history of Israel Malik, it's so simple that you could tell this to a child and easily plant the seeds of hate right away. Very telling Malik. Ignorance breeds hate.

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Ahhh is that the history of Israel Malik...
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Yes.

Just go to the illegal Jewish settlements built on Palestinian land in contravention of international law, and then lecture us on hate.

Malik you've given us the histroy, one that was taught to you and it is very telling on where you are coming from. Very simple, thats all.

Usually any resolution against Israel is veto-ed by US.

Underthedome

The U.S. cannot and will not ever drop it's support for Israel regardless of any plan. It is Israel that controls the U.S. The real power players in the U.S. are the Jews. Apart from President Dwight Eisenhower, who pressured the Israelis to pull out of Sinai after their tripartite assault on Egypt with Britain and France in 1956, few US leaders have ever stood up to Israel and its enormous influence on Capitol Hill.

Why do 'extremists' (muslims you are refering to in your posts, who in turn also label the U.S. and Israel as extremists according their rules and regulations) target the U.S?

Because of it's fcuked up Foreign Policy, World Domination Dream, and open season on all countries and ways of life. For them, Israel is a terrorist, gangster state which has usurped Palestinian land and water, demolished Palestinian homes, and stopped at nothing in pursuit of its interests and enemies, including torture, murder and pioneering the use of the car bomb in the region.

Whatever Israel has done, it has always been able to count on unflagging US diplomatic support, especially in vetoing, diluting or ignoring UN resolutions.

As a matter of fact, in seeking to forcibly impose a specific belief system on everyone else, America's evangelical Christians and Jews display cultural intolerance and fascism. Like Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientologists, they exhibit traits of indoctrinating, quasi-spiritual cults. At their worst, they tend to spit the same venom as any Islamic, Jewish, Hindu or other fundamentalist groups. Ironically, though these groups inevitably profess the deepest of mutual hatreds, they actually have a lot in common.

As Muslims have long feared, a modern-day "purifying" crusade is being demanded by evangelical groups and Jews who, under the 'pious' President Bush, are enjoying unprecedented power. Since 9/11, Secretary of State Colin Powell's repeated statements about religious tolerance have been continually undermined by the hateful words of "spiritual" leaders such as Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. Yet not only does their crusade seek to rid the world of Islam, it may also seek to rid the world of Christianity – that is, all denominations besides evangelical Americans and Jews.

Jesus, of course, was a Jew in your eyes but a Muslim in ours, with other plans, and no place can boast closer ties with ancient Christianity than Palestine. The Orthodox Church here has survived for millennia amidst constant oppression and uncertainty. Should Palestine win independence, these Christians might run the same risk as those in Iraq (i.e., marginalization by fundamentalist Muslims). However, the current Israeli intimidation is no better option. Nevertheless, the Church struggles to maintain its independence and integrity – as when it banned top US and British leaders from visiting Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity. The Israeli government is occasionally rebuked for its oppression of Christians. And the Israeli government is frequently at odds with the Patriarch over the Orthodox Church's landholdings in Jerusalem.

So you see, it isn't as simple as you may have hoped or just one sided!

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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
Malik you've given us the histroy, one that was taught to you and it is very telling on where you are coming from.

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So you deny that there are 400,000 Jewish settlers on Palestinian land in contravention of international law. They are Jewish extremists who hate anything Arab or Muslim, and are armed to the teeth to terroris Palestinians.

Those are facts that almost the entire world knows about, but I am sure the extremist fringe of Zionist diehards will always deny that, or want to forget about it.

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It is Israel that controls the U.S.
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Didn't get pass this line, sorry.

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*Originally posted by underthedome: *

Didn't get pass this line, sorry.
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Should have ,it would have put ur perspective in line.

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*Originally posted by sholay: *

*The U.S. cannot and will not ever drop it's support for Israel regardless of any plan. It is Israel that controls the U.S. The real power players in the U.S. are the Jews. Apart from President Dwight Eisenhower, who pressured the Israelis to pull out of Sinai after their tripartite assault on Egypt with Britain and France in 1956, few US leaders have ever stood up to Israel and its enormous influence on Capitol Hill. *
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Yes, we must never forget (well the Zinoists have tried very hard to make people forget it) the cover up over USS Liberty.