A Trip Into The Supernatural

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Do you believe in existence of demons? Share your views after watching this 10 min clips.

Roger J. Morneau, a Christian author who wrote on prayer and the supernatural was involved in demon worship, lived in that world for many months, and escaped alive. He is able to give us inside information about it. It does not conform with popular notes of who parttakes and what the activities are. Roger was elected to be a member of an elite group of demon worshipers. When he was about to be permanently initiated he asked for help from higher powers to leave it alive. He also was a member of the Seventh-day of Adventist Church. Interview with the famous author of the book titled the same.

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Is there any proof for such nonsense dearlethal kamikaze?

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Peace Mughal,

R u asking if there any proof about existence of demons?

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Yes, dear lethal kamikaze.http://www.youtube.com/user/Surah72#p/c/12/tyEpjv2nAho

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Peace Mughal,

Shaitan (ibless) mentioned in the book Holy Qur'an as well as "jins" word appeard in various verses. There should be no doubt these supernatural do exist.

I'm not getting what u r trying to say here.

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Dear lethal kamikazi, shaitaans are harmful and destructive natural forces, people or ideas in heads of people. Jinns too are mainly people not supernatural beings.

People are good actors and they make up things all the time for various reasons that motivate them. There are billions of people who believe all sorts of things due to their ignorance about reality eg look at idol worshippers, grave worshippers and so on and so forth. People just conjure up things as they please this is why the quran was revealed to guide them out of all the nonsense the people were involved in. This is why the quran is light of knowledge that shows the path for people to walk on. It was not sent to throw people into confusion instead or darkness of ignorance.

The quran is full of explanations about origin of things, their purposes, their function so that people start reasoning things out instead of remaining ignorant and confused.

The words used in the quran if we look for their explanations they do make perfect sense then I wonder why people turn them into fathomless mysteries?

If we look into silly explanations of the quran, people have given such concepts to certain words that they seem to be supernatural powers but if we examine them closely they fall apart.

Take word jinn as an example. The quran tells us people and jinns interact. The question is if jinns are supernatural powerful beings as people assume them to be is there anything that they cannot do in this world? Like the assumption people have about shaitan.

If shaitan had the powers that people attribute him with, is there anything he could not do in this world? If shaitan is what people think he is out of their own make belief, he could have done a lot and very long ago. The world does not work like that and that is why the quran explains all things that it does so that we do not fall for nonsense concepts that have no basis.

Put powers attributed to shaiatan through false stories in religious books and through misinterpretations of stories from the true books on one side and the reality of real things on the other and see how it become very obvious what is true and what is false.

Do you think that we muslims will be fighting over things that we do about things like times and places of prayers and fasting and sighting of moon? I mean jinns are muslims also why do they not guide us about things and why they did not do the same in time of the prophet? Why those people remained unaware of space travel when jinns could do all that long before people could?

Why magicians collect pennies in street acts then get money from the banks through magic and jinns that they claim they control? Why each and every country employed human spies instead of jinns to spy on each other? Why people need atomic weapons when they have control over jinns who ought to have much more power then atomic bombs? If we carry7 on this line of reasoning very soon we realise that we have been made fool of by cunning people.

Look at how much money people spend on phone calls to tv channel astrologers, to other smart guys who offer quick solutions to their problems. If in this day and age we have not learned sense then who is to blame?

When people do not do things that they should do and when people do things that they should not do, we should worry about it and help put it right otherwise the world will gradually turn silly. All because good or bad spread depends on what we want and what we do not want.

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Peace Mughal,

Jinns cannot harm humans nor can benefit them without the Will of Almighty Allah. There is a bar between their and our world. There are limits between our and their world and these limits are set by Almighty Allah an no one can cross except the Will of Almighty Allah.

The greatest deception of shaitan is to convince human that he actually don't exist. If pplz start believing that shaitan donot exist than there will be no question left to believe in angels or demons.

You raised some great points but unfortunately i diagree. I believe shaitan exist, so the jinn and demons too.

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Dear lethal kamikaze, islam=peace is not a religion but a God set goal for mankind to accomplish and maintain. Therefore unless people understand the given program for accomplishing and maintaining peace they cannot go for it and so long as they waste their time in things that have nothing to do with this gaol will achieve nothing at all.

As for a lot of masle masaail and aqaaid thye were invented by some clever people to move our attention away from real issues like countries start wars against other countries in order to move away attention of their public from real issues like magicians ie they show one hand to draw our attention to it while they do the trick with their other hand. So we do not notice what they have done and think they have some supernatural power.

As for your saying that God has set a barrier between humans and jinns, please look at it in detail a bit close up and you will see there is no barrier from God but that word jinn is used in different ways in the quran text to tell us about different things. Some times it is used to tell us about influential or dominant people in the society and tey are both beneficial and harmful for masses. In surah AL JINN, we have a bunch of people who used to come to makkah listen to quran from madinah and other places secretly. Then they used to go back among their people and tell them the message and that is how they invited the prophet to madinah because people there accepted islam in greater numbers as compared to makkah. Makkan chiefs were the main obstacle, why? Because the prophet peached the message of peace, progress and prosperity for all on basis of freedom for all, on basis of justice for all and on basis of fairness for all and on basis of compassion for all. He preached message of brotherhood among mankind.

His message was I am sent to change the existing system or way of life to a new kind of living. It was an education based revolutionary program that is clearly laid down in the quran, the manifesto o9f islam=peace. He wanted to build a universal human society based upon quranic values or principles or guidelines.

This is why he spread the quran and when people read the quran, they joined him and that is how movement for establishing peace began and kept spreading till state of madinah came about and later islamic message was taken far and wide.

There is a lot of confusion among muslims not because the quran is not clear but because the opposing forces have not been sitting idle if you like instead they have been very active. It is because by accepting islam those who have urge to take over others lose out. So instead they do all in their power to derail islam from inside as well oppose it from outside as well. Since anti islam forces are very influential therefore masses have been confused through false propaganda against islam.

So long as muslims themselves remain victims of make beliefs they will have no way out of it. We have turned deen into aqaaid and fighting over it the while others are having a good laugh at us and rest you know.

I hope to clarify things as I go along but it is going to take time and a lot of hard work by all of us but I am hopeful that it can be done. Time is coming when all falsehood will vanish with light of the quran and path of islam will become obvious again as education spreads around the globe.

God bless us all with all the best.

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Peace Mughal,

Your's 2nd and 3rd phrase draw my attention. Do u know who are these 'clever peoples' and what is their agenda?

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Yes, dear lethal kamikaze, I know agendas of people but to help others understand it I need to put it across in a way that makes sense to them if they too make some effort to understand it.

I have started another thread and you will see not many will be interested to learn yet they have ample time to debate silly irrelevant things all day. This is why the world is in the state that it is.

The sole reason capitalism is so successful is because it is benefiting from the way the nature works. Islam wants people to rise above that and redirect nature for benefit of humanity. This was understood very well by allaama iqbal. So long as man remains at level of animals this will remain the way of life. It is because people are so lazy and crazy that they do not use their head to learn and better themselves out of desire for wisdom. They are not motivated at all by knowledge itself and that is what God wants people to do. They rather live like animals. This is why when competition gets tough and people do not get even their basic needs because then they cannot compete in the natural word so they cry but then it is too late. Had they loved learning this situation could have been avoided.

What I am talking about is man if sets his mind can over power nature because that is what God created him for and draws his attention to nature in many verses in the quran. But man is so lazy he is not bothered to conquer nature for the benefit of humanity. Any who does go that way only goes that way to benefit himself and if the benefit trickles down to others it is just natural consequences and not good will of the individual to his kind. This is why people around the globe are tearing each other up to survive in order to eliminate rivals. This is why there are lots of struggles going on and nobody is really in peace or prosperous. We all are looking over our shoulders all the time due to fear of back stabbing and so on and so forth.

This is the way we have accepted to live and so long as active part is not taken to chnage things that is the way world will remain because those who benefit from this set up try to support it as well.

Your question needs a proper answer and that will come in time in the thread that I have started for this purpose ie http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/571290-civilisation-how-did-it-all-happen-by-david-neiman.html?#post9062004

If you have time please read through and see how I understand things. I am trying to show the clarity that exists in the quranic message when looked at in its proper context.

The change we long for cannot come without a very hard work by all of us and that is what the quran prepares us for. The quranic program need a lot of people to understand it and spread its message far and wide and wait for response of humanity and if response is favourable then set up human community on the basis of the quran as its constitutional foundation and build the building of human civilisation upon that foundation. This is going to take a lot of time and effort by as many people as possible. The more people get involved in this program sensibly the time will be cut short and the less number of people partake in there the longer it will be take to become a reality. So it is up to us how long we want to live as rivals rather than like brothers and sisters as good members of human family.

It is just a start and I will build the informational thread as and when I get the time. So I would invite all here to please give attention to things I am talking about because we and our future generations depend on what we make of islam and quran.

So long as we keep ourselves busy with pooja paat things are going to stay on the course they already are. For changing the course of humanity we all must play our part in a sensible way as per teachings of the quran.

Islam was always derailed by rulers and their hand picked priests and then by priests and their hand picked rulers and then by money changers and bankers who hand pick rulers and priests. So masses need to educate themselves about their tricks they use to manipulate masses to exploit them unduly. If masses are happy the way life is for them then who am I to tell them not to be happy and support the same leaders who got them in this situation.

regards and all the best

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Nice post Mughal.