A Study of Muhurrum Processions

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Great thread Code_Red. :k:

we do maatam to follow the tradition of Bibi Zainab (as). The style and practices of maatam and muharram varies across the different regions. For example, Zanjeer Zani or Qama Zani is forbidden in Iran, but openly practised in Iraq. Pakistani’s decorate and take out Zuljinah every year, but Iraqis dont have any concept of that. On the other hand, Iraqis perform plays of the story of Kerbala in front of open crowds, Indo-pak take out processions with taziyahs. It so different according to where you are. However, maatam nauhe and majalises has become a symbolism for mourning and grief. You can like it or lump it, its ingrained in to our beliefs and become part of who we are.

Aside from that, those of you have a problem with maatam, please get over yourselves. Its been going on for 1400 yrs, and no-one has died from it nor managed to halt it. Those who want us to stop can kindly take a running jump. I mean we have issues with your beliefs, but you dunn see us getting all worked up. Y’all know we have different sources, and according to ours, azadari is acceptable & actually encouraged, so like where do you guys get off from?

Those who cant stomach it, should just accept it as an irreconcilable difference and try to move on. Like you guys, we also believe we know better and you guys know jack****, we can also put on that holier than thou attitude and come out all condescending, but y’all know it wont get us anywhere right?

oh an AQ, get off the soap box already. As much as you’d like to believe, you aint that high up. :halo:

ps- whats happened to the moratorium? does it have off days too?

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PCG, there are a lot of excellent programs right now on GEO and ARY explaining all your questions. It's quite emotional, yet highly educational as it is all explained clearly ... don't ask me to explain it though. :p

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Interesting. Like to see the source please :slight_smile:

:flower1: do not think too much if you can’t understand what I said. thankyouverymuch. :flower1:

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^ please can you take this question answer session to other thread Thankyouverymuch :flower1: :flower1:

ps. I have already requested everyone not to be off-topic

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I think the thread was informational regardless of what the moderator thinks or how the members addressed it.
Attacking eachother is not the best form of debate. Rationalizing what we do and why we do it is far more educational.
Personally, I think zanjir zani is not the best way of expressing grief. There is nothing to be defensive about it. It is not an attack on shia beliefs or Moharam.

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^ thats ur opinion and i don't have a problem with it.

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DOn't some christian traditions also have similar processions during good friday or something?

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Also there are some other important procession ( Its a pity that shias here do not know much about them )

Gehwara/panghoora (infant's bed/cradle)

It is carried out in memory of Imaam Husain's youngest son Ali Asghar ( who was just 6 months old) when the opposition army killed him thirsty. people mourn his and death of
other young children in karbala.

Mehndi of Qasim
As mentioned above, it is said that Hazrat Imam Husain (ra) gave the hand of his daughter to Qasim (son of Imam Husan(ra) ) on 7 th Muhurrum. So shias remeber this wedding on the nite of 7th muharram.
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Marsia

Marsia is a well established form of poetry in Urdu, Persian and Arabic language. Big names in poetry like Allama Iqbal have said many Marseye in Urdu and persian language. And paid rich tribute to the sacrifice of Martyrs of Karbala.

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In fact i think it is a good idea for sunnis make an effort to attend shia mosques and pray with shias for 10 days at least. It will do more for unity than anything else.
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It was common in the past that shia and sunni both participated in the mouning of Muhurram, and it is still in some areas where sunni participate and attend majlis, but due to growing unfortunate tensions in past two decades, it is now become quite difficult.

Sunnis mostly, remember these event rather quitely, and in friday sermons, The scholar say a lot about tragedy of Karbala, Sacrifice of Ahl-e-bait and long lasting effects on Muslims.

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Code Red that was very informative :k: Thanks for your effort.

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This is a moderated thread.

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This is a moderated thread but you will leave fabricated words and stories attributed to Hazrat Hussain up there? Come on? Zer01 is spreading lies about him. I refuse to believe that he said such words. No one can guarantee paradise, even Muahammad;saw: talked about Ashra Mubashara after an indication was given to him by Allah. I doubt Hazrat Hussain received such an indication.

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I respect your doubt as well as those who want to believe.

I have made a moved those posts from here and made new thread and the topic can be disscussed there :)

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Hello, this is a great thread. I am not shia, but i go to the majalis. I commend the shia for their undying love for Ali and his Family.

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IMHO this thread shud be in culture rather than religion forum

Timepass
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We don't follow the Sunnah of Awais Qarni Ravage, but I would be interested to hear the whole story...

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I agree with you.

This study has more reasons to be in culture. Regardless of the take of few people , the study highlights the importance of cultural background of this of struggle of a family and how it leaves the fine prints of love, devotion, courage and sacrifice, celebrated in our part of the world.

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"Our wedding feast will take place at the Resurrection"
-Fatima Kubra

Fatima Kubra, the bride of Karbala, is one of the disputed figures, for
there is no historical validity of a wedding that took place during the
battle. She is described as an Indian bride, who bids her bridegroom (Imam
Qasim) farewell at their wedding night.
The seventh day of Muhurrum is reserved for Qasim, the nausha-e-Karbala. He
is also one of the most popular figures of Karbala. Qasim is not given
permission for martyrdom by his uncle Hussain. Shortly before the defeat
during the battle, Qasim begs his uncle to allow him to fight, but Hussain
and his mother refuse to let him go.

He remembers an amulet given by his father, who asked him to open it only at a time of great sorrow and distress. He opens the amulet to find a message
in his father's handwriting asking him to fight with his uncle Hussain in
the desert of Karbala and to become a martyr. Qasim takes the note to his
uncle, and asks his permission once more. Hussain cannot refuse his elder
brothers request. Qasim bids his wife farewell who bravely lets her
bridegroom get martyred.

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Hats off the Ms Sheireen Mrza for writing such a good conducive and objective study on an important cultural and religious event in calander.

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The martyrs of Karbala from the literature, do not emerge as individuated **persons but by the role they play within their familial space and within the *larger communitarian space. Imam Hussain dies for the ideals and the values *
*his grandfather, the Prophet stood for as much he dies in order to protect *Islam and its 'truth'.**

Similarly the women of the prophet's family stand for the same ideals. In **fact they become the site for propagating virtues and the moral self. They ***act as exemplars for the rest of the community to follow their examples.*

The eye weeps as it identifies with the forms of love they embody and the **loss they suffer. And in the act of weeping the relational self gets *appropriated, as it re-affirms its place within the familial space and *within the larger community. As long as such a vision endures, this story ***needs to be told.*

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Very well said Tikhi :k:

Every soul will find its fate on the day of judgement but no soul will get a 2nd chance. Imagine the regret people will have after seeing their fate (including myself) and wishing instead of wasting time I should have done some ibadah and I wish I would have asked Allah :swt: for forgiveness.

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Muharram. And especially the Ashoora :wub: all the city is so clean that the roads glitters. All zest and zeal. But why for these 10 days only :emmy: