Give a world atlas/globe to ANY average guy in FATA and ask them to try find America on it.
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I'll be the first to answer :)
They'll say "Nice football u have there!"
Re: A simple question
What does it mean? I think I know exactly what you mean.:)
What does it mean? I think I know exactly what you mean.:)
My point is simple Hareem, those poor people are accused of being and doing things they're not going to be capable of in a hundred years to come.
Its quite simple when it comes to them, someone kills there children, men and women, and they want to go back and do the blood-for-blood thing. To them it dont matter if its USA or its Government of Pakistan, they are least concerned with either.
And as far as USA and them being a threat to USA is concerned, they dont even know where on the map of this earth that place exists, leave alone planning and attacking them so calculatedly.
Re: A simple question
pakistani government is responsible for the situation as nobody could dare kill a country's citizens unless their own government has indirectly given authority. what's the world coming to...
American khud to dobey ga hee, lekin us ka irada hai, sab ko le dobey!
My point is simple Hareem, those poor people are accused of being and doing things they're not going to be capable of in a hundred years to come.
Its quite simple when it comes to them, someone kills there children, men and women, and they want to go back and do the blood-for-blood thing. To them it dont matter if its USA or its Government of Pakistan, they are least concerned with either.
And as far as USA and them being a threat to USA is concerned, they dont even know where on the map of this earth that place exists, leave alone planning and attacking them so calculatedly.
u know there r some genious in this forum who think otherwise...they dont consider fata people as human beings..they consider all of them as terrorists...
the biggest problem is the bombing by army which have killed hundreds of innocent people and in return these tribals want to take revenge from anyone who may appear pro american..
nice to know tht there r people like u who make sense..unfortunately poeple like u r not present in our corrupt army and govt...
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its really how the media is directed to portray the events. for instance, when 10 people die in the west in an accident or attack they say, 2 women 8 men, one of the woman worked at the post office, the other whatever, and similarly what the men did etc and what their identities were and how bad it is that they were killed in that way.
But when they throw bombs and kill 20 people in waziristan/fata regions for an unknown and unjustifiable reason, they simply plaster all those dead as 'militants/terrorists'. The identities are vanished. They don't say how many innocent children and women died. How many old men or young men died, what were their names, what were their lives. They are farmers, and people doing small jobs, they have an identity.
But whats really painful to see is how they treat them like nothing and when it comes to their own people, their lives have meaning and when they die its sad, but when they kill the people in fata, they're all militants!
Another sad issue is that America and its supporters claim these people are a threat to them...... well...... you are on the other side of the world, they didn't travel to you and attack you. You are sitting on their head killing them instead just because you have a hidden agenda, and otherwise claim they are a threat to you. You are the one who travelled all that way to attack them in their home.
Give a world atlas/globe to ANY average guy in FATA and ask them to try find America on it.
Although, you are asking a hypothetical question, your answer will not be any different from what you get from ANY average guy in America. It is not about Geography, though.
Indeed, the innocent common man dying on the border does not even have the capability to get hold of +500Kgs of prime explosives to blow up other innocent people who are in no way connected to the crime committed by others. This is the work of heinous criminals who are taking the opportunity to spread chaos in our beloved country.
its really how the media is directed to portray the events. for instance, when 10 people die in the west in an accident or attack they say, 2 women 8 men, one of the woman worked at the post office, the other whatever, and similarly what the men did etc and what their identities were and how bad it is that they were killed in that way.
But when they throw bombs and kill 20 people in waziristan/fata regions for an unknown and unjustifiable reason, they simply plaster all those dead as 'militants/terrorists'. The identities are vanished. They don't say how many innocent children and women died. How many old men or young men died, what were their names, what were their lives. They are farmers, and people doing small jobs, they have an identity.
But whats really painful to see is how they treat them like nothing and when it comes to their own people, their lives have meaning and when they die its sad, but when they kill the people in fata, they're all militants!
Another sad issue is that America and its supporters claim these people are a threat to them...... well...... you are on the other side of the world, they didn't travel to you and attack you. You are sitting on their head killing them instead just because you have a hidden agenda, and otherwise claim they are a threat to you. You are the one who travelled all that way to attack them in their home.
When terrorists cut the throat of someone or blow themselves to kill innocents, those they kill have no names for terrorists but have names and personal identity for country. When government forces (representing whatever government) kills a terrorist, for government, they killed 'an animal' without name or personal identity.
Governments (be that of Pakistan or USA) represent country and people of that country. Governments have duties and responsibilities towards the country and people. When government forces kill terrorists, they have reasons and that is, they consider these terrorists a threat to their country and people.
As for terrorists, they represent themselves and their terror. Their reason to kill others is to create anarchy, mayhem and lawlessness in the country.
No doubt that freedom fighters representing an area can be called terrorists by occupying forces. One knows freedom fighters as they have popular support in the area they represent and are fighting to get independence. A group could also fight government against injustices to them, but for that, they have to spell the injustices and should initially try to sort things out peacefully.
Fact is that NONE of the so-called Jihadies or people who are spreading 'fitna' in Pakistan using word 'Islam' are freedom fighters or fighting against injustices, but they are terrorists in every respect without name, religion or personal identity, who should get killed by government forces like animals. I would not mind if Pakistan government takes help from any outside government to kill these terrorists, neither I would feel sorry for them if any country or force bombs them.
Terrorists in Pakistan want to impose their will (and corrupted Islam) over majority in Pakistan by their terrorism. They think that they can scare Pakistanis to adopt their cult religion and particular way of life, something they want to impose over Pakistan by force and terrorism. These people also want Pakistan to fight their war in Afghanistan where also they want to do same what they want to do in Pakistan (impose their cult religion and way of life over Afghans using force and terrorism).
Give a world atlas/globe to ANY average guy in FATA and ask them to try find America on it.
Its not about "average guy" in FATA, its more about "militants" and they do know their enemy. To find "foreign" troops in your area is not that difficult or to find them out in other locations. I don't think anybody is suggesting that "average FATA" guy will take a plane and shoot straight to US and drop few bombs or kill few "infidels" there.
What I don't seem to understand here with a few responses is that howcome we still have people in our country who will actually believe all the story of the terrorism and the so called war?
unless someone is directly getting some personal benefit from such terror caused by the US forces and pakistani government alike to the pakistani people, there is no reason for anyone else to approve of whats going on.
What I don't seem to understand here with a few responses is that howcome we still have people in our country who will actually believe all the story of the terrorism and the so called war?
unless someone is directly getting some personal benefit from such terror caused by the US forces and pakistani government alike to the pakistani people, there is no reason for anyone else to approve of whats going on.
i agree with you
this forum is full of such ppl who buy american media stories
pata nahy un ki uqal kon sy green ghaas charney gayee hai
and i just one q to those folks, were there any pakistanis or afghans or iraqis on that plane
and taliban govt was there since 1996, why didnt they attacked pakistan and try to take over then
what i belive that they are alot of indians with multi nicks roaming around pakaffair forums
i agree with you this forum is full of such ppl who buy american media stories pata nahy un ki uqal kon sy green ghaas charney gayee hai
and i just one q to those folks, were there any pakistanis or afghans or iraqis on that plane
and taliban govt was there since 1996, why didnt they attacked pakistan and try to take over then
what i belive that they are alot of indians with multi nicks roaming around pakaffair forums
Well said! Maybe indians should find some indian forum.
When terrorists cut the throat of someone or blow themselves to kill innocents, those they kill have no names for terrorists but have names and personal identity for country. When government forces (representing whatever government) kills a terrorist, for government, they killed 'an animal' without name or personal identity.
Governments (be that of Pakistan or USA) represent country and people of that country. Governments have duties and responsibilities towards the country and people. When government forces kill terrorists, they have reasons and that is, they consider these terrorists a threat to their country and people.
As for terrorists, they represent themselves and their terror. Their reason to kill others is to create anarchy, mayhem and lawlessness in the country.
No doubt that freedom fighters representing an area can be called terrorists by occupying forces. One knows freedom fighters as they have popular support in the area they represent and are fighting to get independence. A group could also fight government against injustices to them, but for that, they have to spell the injustices and should initially try to sort things out peacefully.
Fact is that NONE of the so-called Jihadies or people who are spreading 'fitna' in Pakistan using word 'Islam' are freedom fighters or fighting against injustices, but they are terrorists in every respect without name, religion or personal identity, who should get killed by government forces like animals. I would not mind if Pakistan government takes help from any outside government to kill these terrorists, neither I would feel sorry for them if any country or force bombs them.
Terrorists in Pakistan want to impose their will (and corrupted Islam) over majority in Pakistan by their terrorism. They think that they can scare Pakistanis to adopt their cult religion and particular way of life, something they want to impose over Pakistan by force and terrorism. These people also want Pakistan to fight their war in Afghanistan where also they want to do same what they want to do in Pakistan (impose their cult religion and way of life over Afghans using force and terrorism).
just answer a simple question
did pakistani/us army started killing them 1st
or did they started suicide bombing 1st, without a reason
thing is and u should understand that if u have any interest in saving pakistan
that america started bombing afghanistan in the name of OSAMA
they killed thoudands of afghans in air attacks
now whos mother, father or childern are killed for no reason
they hate america and would do any thing to take revenge
now if pakistan supports america
pakistan is there enemy as well
so instead of condemning them
1st condem what america did and how pakistani govt supported amrica in mass murder and how we as pakistani and muslim brothers failed to stop or even critisize the matter on big scale
wasent that terrorism when american planes killed thousands of innocent ppl there and we supported it
why are these double standards
what if some criminal from pakistan go hide in america do we bomb america as well
What I don't seem to understand here with a few responses is that howcome we still have people in our country who will actually believe all the story of the terrorism and the so called war?
unless someone is directly getting some personal benefit from such terror caused by the US forces and pakistani government alike to the pakistani people, there is no reason for anyone else to approve of whats going on.
May be you can capture few "Talibans" who according to you are not actually "Taliban" but someone else in disguise, someone who is burning schools, someone who overthrows police/para-military check posts, someone who burns "CD" businesses, someone who is operating suicide bomber squads and present him to the media so we can believe someone other than "American" media. Why is it that the "defense" of "Taliban" comes only thru people-to-people communication?
May be you can capture few "Talibans" who according to you are not actually "Taliban" but someone else in disguise, someone who is burning schools, someone who overthrows police/para-military check posts, someone who burns "CD" businesses, someone who is operating suicide bomber squads and present him to the media so we can believe someone other than "American" media. Why is it that the "defense" of "Taliban" comes only thru people-to-people communication?
P.S. you don't make sense.
Also, nobody here is even talking about taliban, leave alone defending them.
I just read a few of your other posts including your replies in i.e. John Mccain saying pakistan was a failed state, I must point that you are clearly anti-pakistani. Why are you trying to manipulate pakistani boards? We have alrady had enough of that bluff on TV and other Media, we dont need that here. Let people speak the truth now will you? If you have nothing better to do, go brush up on your history a bit!
P.S. you don't make sense.
Also, nobody here is even talking about taliban.
Please re-read your own thread, or do you want post-by-post pointers? :)
just answer a simple question
did pakistani/us army started killing them 1st or did they started suicide bombing 1st, without a reason
thing is and u should understand that if u have any interest in saving pakistan
that america started bombing afghanistan in the name of OSAMA they killed thoudands of afghans in air attacks now whos mother, father or childern are killed for no reason they hate america and would do any thing to take revenge now if pakistan supports america pakistan is there enemy as well
so instead of condemning them
1st condem what america did and how pakistani govt supported amrica in mass murder and how we as pakistani and muslim brothers failed to stop or even critisize the matter on big scale
wasent that terrorism when american planes killed thousands of innocent ppl there and we supported it
why are these double standards
what if some criminal from pakistan go hide in america do we bomb america as well
so, you are saying two wrongs make a right?
- America killed (and is still killing) innocent Afghanis, BIG WRONG
- Extremists blowing themselves and killing Innocent people, BIG WRONG
You are not making any sense. I just fail to understand how can you even remotely try to justify the suicide bombing/killing by extremists.
post by post? Okay, shall we?
Please re-read your own thread, or do you want post-by-post pointers? :)
May be you can capture few "Talibans" who according to you are not actually "Taliban" but someone else in disguise, someone who is burning schools, someone who overthrows police/para-military check posts, someone who burns "CD" businesses, someone who is operating suicide bomber squads and present him to the media so we can believe someone other than "American" media. Why is it that the "defense" of "Taliban" comes only thru people-to-people communication?
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