A raped woman who cannot produced four witnesses should keep quiet about it

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Re: A raped woman who cannot produced four witnesses should keep quiet about it

@ravage

The problem is that as usual you are stuck on processing and reprocessing something I answered a while back. Whatever you think of my sources, you dont need to rely on them. Both of these cases are well known, and you can verify the facts in two minutes if you know how to type and are not developmentally challenged. My own political views, which cant be accused of being carefully hidden, dont need to influence what you know about the cases. And if you know anything about these cases, you’ll know that the Justice sahab is knowingly or unknowingly giving the wrong picture.

Btw, with regards to using the word Islamist… apparently Jamaat-e-Islami didnt get the memo

http://jamaat.org/beta/site/page/3

ravage sahab!

Did yo even read the full answer posted above by shardmanny?

Just checking.

Bhai mere, there is no substantial reason to bash at least the part where zina is considered a crime by islam (as some people do) and that is also a part of other religions. (Punishment and process may vary in different religions).

Secondly, you have put all the weight on these two cases…but have failed to read that in both cases by the apeal of Federal Shariat court the punishment were not given. Missed those parts?

Third, Justice sahab is still more credible after reading that Federal shariat court actually helped these women.

Fourth, you have not said anything on the part where Justice sahab did say the injustice might have occurred but that is because of lack underdtanding the law and lack of correct implementations, not becasue there is somethng wrog with the law itself.

Fifth, you missed Charles kennedy admittance of no big problem quoted by the Justice sahab.

Sixth, you have not commented on the drama queen who interviwed Munawwar Hussain…
It is hilarious to see him saying and defendiing he is a good muslim for no reason. He was NOT accused of being Kafir and no fatwa was sanctioned, he himself interpreted that by cutting Munawwar Hussain off.
(These interviewers ARE trained to cut off others, if you observe them closely)

7th, I agree that women should be able to speak out without fear if rape is committed aganst them and beyond four witnesses **other means **have to be used, same thing Justice sahab mentioned and stated that it is provided to those who cannot bring four witnesses and yes majority will not be able to.

8th, Even in those societies where freedom is available to speak out, a lot of cases may not be reported because of the nature of the accusation and shame attached to it …as well as the justice system is complex everywhere…no matter how simple that can be made.
Wrong accusations are made and true crimes go unnoticed.

Nine, **Why not ALSO talk about the accountability for those women who wrongly accuse men for any secondary gain?
What is/should be the process for that?

Another question I posed above was what if there is NO EVIDENCE at all, not even scientific?
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10- There is no reason to make Rai Ka Pahaar (Making a big deal out of nothing).

It is the implementation of law that has to be addressed, not changing the law altogether.

(Read that long post again by Shardmanny. :))

Addendum: There are blacks who use N word themselves, does not change the fact that this word is and can be used as a hateful word. It also depends on who says in what context and same word can be taken as a hateful word. So one needs to be a bit careful.