that claim they are shia/ sunnis/ ahmadi and so on:konfused:
so is there a difference if beliefs that makes u bound urself to groups.
i have grown up as believing that i am just muslim and nuthing more.I believe in what Quraan says and what Prophet PBUH used to do and follow him for guidence so what is this difference based on:hmmm:?
Ps: emmy: dantna nai.its my very first thread(no second:hmmm:) in religion forum
Re: A question to all the muslims
OK a qustion for all of you:
Why Imam Abu Hanifa (on behalf of Hadrat Ayesha) and Hadrat Ali went to a war for caliphate?
OK a qustion for all of you:
Why Imam Abu Hanifa (on behalf of Hadrat Ayesha) and Hadrat Ali went to a war for caliphate?
Imam abu hanifa was born 12 years after the death of Hazrat Aisha .. you must be confusing him with someone else
There are two versions of the story ,the shia version and sunni version. So here you go:
The battle of Jamal was between the Army of the Caliph Ali against the Army of Aisha. There are 2 sides of the story (Sunni & Shiite)
The Sunni side:
The rebels who took over Medina assassinated the Caliph Othman. They demanded that the people in Medina choose another Caliph, & eventually Ali became the one.
Some people in Medina demanded that Ali punish those rebuls who assassinated the former Caliph Othman. But those very rebels joined Ali’s army, so many had figured that Ali has no power. It’s all the decision of Othman’s murderers.
People who demanded justice for Othman’s assassination met in Mecca with Aisha & organized an Army. This Army had too off & went to Basra, Iraq to recruit more solders. Ali took off from Medina & went to Kufa, Iraq to get more recruits before he confront the Army of Aisha.
Ali sent one of his generals to negotiate with Aisha & her top advisers. He succeeded in convincing them to give Ali a chance & not challenging his authority. But the murderers of Othman figured the situation is now so threatening to them. So, in the middle of the knight they killed some of Ali’s solders & shouted Aisha stabbed them in the back before they charged her army.
In Aisha’s army camp, they were suddenly attacked so they figured that Ali had stabbed them in the back. & the battle of Jamal was provoked.
Aisha went on her camel to the battle field in order to stop the fight between the 2 Muslim armies. The murderers of Othman tried every thing to stop her. So, many people were killed on both side.
Shiite side:
Aisha, Talha, & Al-Zubair didn’t want Ali to become a Caliph. They just challenged his authority.
P.S: This is how I have read all about it that is why I have taken this answer to help you curb your curiosity.
I guess it is human nature to try to stand out , to be different. Now a days teen agers do it by being Gothic, emo or punk.
Some grown ups do it by adopting a certain hair style or fashion in clothes.
Same way groups of people want to stand out from the crowd of Muslims by declaring themselves as , Shia , Sunni , Ahmadi, Aga Khani, Khojay, Deo Bandi , Brailvy, Jafri, Hanafi, Shafa-e, Hunbli, Maliki, Ahal-a-Hadees, Wabahi etc etc .
If a Mullah does not differentiate himself how can he start a new Masjid and live happily ever after. The followers being so ignorant about the true spirit of religion do not put their time and effort to understand the true religion and blindly follow what Mullah tells them. There are so many ignorant who will say , it is not easy to understand Quran , Hadees, Religion , so they outsource the contract of understanding religion to Mullah. Mullah abuses the power so vested into him .
Not all Alims are Mullahs and not All Mullahs are Alim a deen , there are many Alim a deen who do not believe in sectarianism in Islam . I admire them and respect them.
Re: A question to all the muslims
Mirch:
Although you tried to be reasonable in answering but unfortunately it's not true and misguiding.
OK a qustion for all of you:
Why Imam Abu Hanifa (on behalf of Hadrat Ayesha) and Hadrat Ali went to a war for caliphate?
what BS ....abu hanifa fighting against Ali
that might be a nasibi wet dream but its far from reality
Mirch:
Although you tried to be reasonable in answering but unfortunately it's not true and misguiding.
I have two posts , which one is not true and misguiding ? Please let me know so that I could correct myself or you provide the true and truly guided answer if it about Jang a Jamal , please open a separate thread , this thread is not about Jang a Jamal/Jamul ( Battle of Camel).
…Hey Penguin…see what you started…now you’s going to be blamed for it ALL…
Re: A question to all the muslims
Shoro Allah k naam say jo Kainat ka Rub hai.
Well Mirchi you didnt explain shia side view of Battle of Camel in full. Please read it again and then repost, and one thing i want to add tht you should read the HAdith books of both sect tht u can find the true reason of tht battle and can easily figure out tht who was on the wrong side
for example Isma’eel narrated from Qays who said, ‘When Aysha approached the waters of Bani A’amir, she heard some dogs barking. Aysha asked, ‘What is the location of these waters?’ She was answered, ‘This is the waters of the Howab.’ Then she said, ‘I am going back!’ Some of the people with her said, ‘No, you should go on. Then the Muslims would see you and Allah would make peace between them.’ Then she said again, ‘I heard that the prophet peace be upon him said, ‘Then what would you (the wives of the prophet) do when you hear the barking of Al-Howab dogs?’’
The authenticity of the narration is is not doubted by the Sunnis.
The story of the dogs of Howab is not narrated in the nine Sunni books except in Musnad Ahmed. Ahmed narrated two versions of the story. Also, the story is found in Saheeh Ibn Habban, Al-Mustadrik by Al-Hakim, and in history books.
So please go and search the truth.May Allah help to find it.
Allah hafiz
Re: A question to all the muslims
Jang-e-Jamal and Jang-e-Safain was worst incidents in the Islamic History.
Jang-e-Safain split the Islamic world in two halfs, although these two halfs were united by an accord between Ameer Muaviya (RZA) and Hazrat Hasan (RZA), but later things got out hand and we are still fighting not knowing who was right or who was wrong.
it is funny that all our assumptions are based on stories reported by historians and mre funnier that these historians ( Like Syouti) themselves says that they have verified any of the incident, they have just heard/learned it and wrote it as it is in their books.
This surely have provided a source of income to street Mulla, will continusly do so ever after, We will kill each other for these stories and keep doing so until the dooms day. That is the curse we have to live with when we abide Quran and Sunnah.
Shoro Allah k naam say jo Kainat ka Rub hai.
Well Mirchi you didnt explain shia side view of Battle of Camel in full. Please read it again and then repost, and one thing i want to add tht you should read the HAdith books of both sect tht u can find the true reason of tht battle and can easily figure out tht who was on the wrong side
for example Isma’eel narrated from Qays who said, ‘When Aysha approached the waters of Bani A’amir, she heard some dogs barking. Aysha asked, ‘What is the location of these waters?’ She was answered, ‘This is the waters of the Howab.’ Then she said, ‘I am going back!’ Some of the people with her said, ‘No, you should go on. Then the Muslims would see you and Allah would make peace between them.’ Then she said again, ‘I heard that the prophet peace be upon him said, ‘Then what would you (the wives of the prophet) do when you hear the barking of Al-Howab dogs?’’
The authenticity of the narration is is not doubted by the Sunnis. The story of the dogs of Howab is not narrated in the nine Sunni books except in Musnad Ahmed. Ahmed narrated two versions of the story. Also, the story is found in Saheeh Ibn Habban, Al-Mustadrik by Al-Hakim, and in history books.
So please go and search the truth.May Allah help to find it.
Allah hafiz
What happened between Hazrat Ali ( RA) and Hazrat Aisha(RA) supposedly and reported based on hearsay is not part of my eman. I do not need to go and search more than what I searched. I spend more time on understanding Quran and hadees and that should be the goal of each and every Muslim.
Quran is the only book which completes my emaan and contains all that is needed to become a Muslim or Momin , if one believes in Quran and its teaching to me that person is a Muslim or Momin.
Assalamu alaikum to all Sunni Muslims
This is the definition of a Sunni Muslim, alhamdulillah! Sunni means one who follows the sunnah of Nabi (sallallahu alaihi wa salam). We believe that Quran and Sunnat is sufficient for guidance. This is what separates us from all the others groups and sects. The Ahmadis believe in a new prophet, Mirza Qadiani, while the Shias believe that you must follow not just Quran and Sunnat, but also the 12 Imams to get guidance. They believe their 12 Imams are the Face of Allah (nauzubillah!) and thay they are controlling the universe. They give qualities which are exclusively belonging to Allah alone and giving them to their 12 Imams. This is shirk. Remember, the basic message of Islam is La ilaha illa Allah (there is none worthy of worship except Allah). To pray to others besides Allah, as many Shias do when they say “ya ali madad” (O Ali help) is going against the most fundamental and basic teaching of Islam. Read Surah al Fatiha what it says: *Iyaka na’budu wa iyaka nasta’een *(You alone do we worship and you alone do we ask for help)
Ahle Sunnat is the saved sect of Islam. Remember, Nabi (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) said there will arise 73 sects out of this ummah, all in the Fire except for one, that which he and his companions are upon. Since Shias reject the companions of Nabi (sallallahu alaihi wa salam), how can we accept them as true Muslim?
I guess this is a typo he meant to Say:“That is the curse we have to live with when we do not abide by Quran and Sunnah”
