In this western world we live with a society and we work with this society. We have to socialize with them too. What would you say if a colleague of mine is asking me to go to their christmas party, the one they are arranging in a club, I am not sure they will dance or drink or not, surely they will have few drinks. Is it ok for me to go to that party? or go dinner with them, where as all asian restuarents are selling alcohal as well.
zafar, if you are asking a proper Islamic opinion, then this is not permissible.
However, if you would ask for a liberal perspective, they would say “sure you can socialize. Just don’t drink alcohol”… well who know…may be they will also allow you to drink, provided you don’t get intoxicated. You see liberal folks can always find a difference of opinion on anything, and consequently call anything permissible.
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So it depends on what you want to follow.
Cheers!
Pristine, how do you know that a proper Islamic opinion will say that what zafar suggested is not permissable?
That sounds a bit too quick off the mark... in fact, it almost sounds presumptious.
Can you at least provide a reference to an islamic opinion from a scholar who says this?
They shoot partypoopers, don't they?
Zafar Bhai I see your dilemma, and I guess most of us can identify ourselves withour situation. personally I don´t see why one shouldn´t participate in parties and socialise with one´s collegues. But I am also aware of the fact the closer you are to the temptations the easier it is fall in them. So be careful brother. Its a jungle out there
Thanks for your reply. I wanted to know from authenticated source, what Islam says about it. I think sometimes it is a difficult situation and that situation can apply on anything not just going to club. We are provided with food at work, in a canteen, and non muslim people drink as well, so how can I avoid been sitting with them there? I need to know what we should and what we shouldn't do. Personallay I don't agree going to club no matter what, I do not care what they think I will say and I never been since I am working here or any other company. Please let me know. Thanks.
zafar,
I totally understand your dilemma, I am in the same situation also, but it wont be a club but a resaturant sort of thing. personally I feel that as long as we know what is haram for us, then we should be ok. My employer is very understanding so i wont have much of a problem. i hope you can sort things out.
Mr Partypooper… well, don’t automatically presume that I said what I did without knowing. I know this is not allowed. However, the reason I didn’t quote any evidence was exactly because of the atmosphere where you guys live. The responses from other folks in this thread is a proof that ppl tend to think that Islam is not so hard and just be friendly. Ofcourse, you can decide whatever you choose and live with that.
As for authentic Islamic ruling, I am not a scholar. So I usually consult an authentic islamic websote for such questions. You may choose to disregard the evidence provided in the link below. I had already read many responses from various scholars on the exact same question, that I knew (off-the-cuff) that this sort of socializing is not allowed.
Further evidence is available at the link below:
Stay Cool.. Ciao!
Brothers and sister's dont have to argue in fighting way, we all are always in learning process so keep yourself cool and if you do not agree with each other then please say it politeness, that works better than anything. Thanks pristine for providing source. I will have a look at that right now. I believe that is upto us what we want to do but right is always right and wrong is always going to be wrong no matter what situation. I think if we have faith in God then why we would care that we should go with a non-muslim to a party where an alcohal is being served or dance party, just to make him/her happy. It means we believe that if we don't go then they will think that we do not socialize, we do not get along together well or we will get sack? if this is the answer then I believe we do not have full faith in God, Do these non-muslims go to Mosque to please us? I am sure most of us will answer no to that. So the question is are we all disable in front of non-muslim to show our willingness and for our worldly happiness.
Dear zafar mahmood:
It is too early to say whether we agree or not.
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Anyway, I have lived in USA for some years so I understand the sort of compulsions that come our way. Living in Pakistan, we don’t have these problems. It is very easy to preach the high moral values, espeically when we don’t have to put up with them ourselves. It is for this reason that initially I had not provided the link. This web-site and almost all other authentic islamic scholars provide opinion based on Quran and Sunnah and on Islamic jurisprudence derived in the last 1500 years by authentic scholars of Islam. Many things in such opinions will be hard for us to follow, and many a time we deviate just because we feel that it will make life harder for us. At the same time we continue to pray to Allah to forgive our sins and make us successful in the Day of Judgement.
You asked for a religious ruling, I provided you the link. Whether you agree to it, or follow it, is entirely up to you, and I hope you make the right decision.
Partypooper is a friend. take it easy!
Adios!
Pristine brother, thanks for your reply, I think it may be hard to follow what scholars has researched and came to the conclusion but not impossible. It depends what we want from this life and where we going from here. That thinking comes with the stronger you have the faith. God help us and guide us to the right path.