Re: A question to Ahmadis
also want to ask, what is the Aqida of qadianis?
Again with the recycled stuff. We do not need any proofs from you because we know WE are on the right path and you qadianis are on the path of Kufr.
Do not confuse the illeterate folks in India and Africa about your definition of "SEAL" it holds no weight!
"Every claim to prophethood after him is falsehood and deceit." Imam al-Tahawi (d. 321 AH) in al-Aqidah al-Tahawiyya
(now you will say Imam al-Tahawi was not Muslim because he did not believe in your prophet Mirza?) if you do, people will only feel sorry for you.
*Our Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (PBUH) says: *
"Messengerhood and prophethood have ceased. There will be no messenger or prophet after me." [related by Ahmad]
"My likeness among the prophets is as a man who, having built a house put the finishing touches on it and made it seemly, yet left one place without a brick. When anyone entered it and saw this, he would exclaim, 'How excellent it is, but for the place of this brick.' Now, I am the place of the brick: through me the line of prophets (Allah bless him and give him peace) has been brought to completion." [Related by al-Bukhari]
*"I have been favoured above the prophets in six things: I have been endowed with consummate succinctness of speech, made triumphant through dread, war booty has been made lawful for me, the whole earth has been made a purified place of worship for me, I have been sent to all created beings, and the succession of prophets has been completed in me." *[related by Tirmidhi and ibn Majah]
Narrated Sa'ad: Allah's Apostle set out for Tabuk. appointing 'Ali as his deputy (in Medina). 'Ali said, "Do you want to leave me with the children and women?" The Prophet said, "Will you not be pleased that you will be to me like Aaron to Moses? But there will be no prophet after me." [al-Bukhari 5.700]
Narrated Isma'il: I asked Abi Aufa, "Did you see Ibrahim, the son of the Prophet?" He said, "Yes, but he died in his early childhood. Had there been a Prophet after Muhammad then his son would have lived, but there is no Prophet after him."[al-Bukhari 8.214]
Narrated Ayesha (RA): "Prophethood will NOT continue after me, except the harbingers of good news". They asked "What are the harbingers of good news, O Apostle of Allah?." He replied: "Virtuous and pious dreams a Muslim sees or are shown to him".Musnad of Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal
there are countless number hadiths that prove that there will be NO PROPHET after Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
Obviously like any other CULT leader, Mirza had to fabricate, modify hadiths to his own liking.. which is why I know qadianis will come here and quote those "hadiths"..
Do not play around with the Quran and Hadiths. It is for you to accept the truth. May Allah make it easy for you.
edit PS: Why don't you go ahead now and answer Prince Abbas' questions?
i am not ahmedi and i am not trying to take sides here but i just want to point out that all the evidence you have given. they are quotes from hadiths. the credibility and accuracy of hadiths has not been recognized to be 100% correct. they are long lines of peoples who have passed ona message of what they think they heard the prophet pbuh say or do. and i mean looonng loooooong lines of peoples. people could just easily add and change the message to fit their own agendas and or the messages accuracy can have been destryoed along the way which is most likely. numerous studies have been done where one party tried to send a message through soo many people and the message that came on the other side was very different from what was intended.
we should not forget this when quoting hadiths to be as accurate as the quran shareef.
the hadiths were not written by allah. they were written by men. and there is always chance of corruptness and deceit in any day and age with any society and men claiming to be as pure as the daylight.
thanks
Re: A question to Ahmadis
^^ Scholars (yes people who are experts in the science of Hadith) have said that the hadiths where the Prophet (pbuh) says he is the LAST of the Prophets are all mutawatir hadiths.
Here is a definition of mutawatir:
related by whole groups of individuals from whole groups, in multiple contiguous channels of transmission leading back to the Prophet himself, such that the sheer number of separate channels at each stage of transmission is too many for it to be possible for all to have conspired to fabricate the hadith (which makes it obligatory to believe in and denial of which is kufr). [cf. Reliance of the Traveller o22.1(dII)]
Now, as a Muslim you pray, do you not? How do you pray? Those actions are not written in the Quran. They are from the hadiths. There are different interpretations which is why we have 4 schools of thought, they are all correct. BUT, all schools of thought are on ONE side on the Finality of Prophethood. Which is: There will be no Prophet after Sayyidna Muhammad al-Mustafa Habib Allah (may the peace and blessing of Allah be upon him)
Qadianis can spread as much propaganda as they want.
May Allah save the innocent ones and show them the right path. Ameen.
Re: A question to Ahmadis
Interesting Posts.
I was told by a passport office magistrate that only Ahmedis are allowed to go to Israeel. I would believe his words more than yours.
Singing and saying easier than doing. May I know how many wars did mirza fight in the way of Allah against British occupation forces of India? If he followed the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w then did he follow his prophetic ways? Did Prophet Muhammad s.a.w accept the infidel rule upon himself? Didn't Prophet Muhammad s.a.w establish his Islamic State and then dominated Kuffar ultimately? Did mirza live as a ghazi or die as a shaheed?
**Didn't he accept it for more than 8 years?
Allah established the Islamic State, don't forget that. The last decision is in Allah's hand, not in a Prophet's...doesn't matter if it is Muhammad (saw), Moses (ra) or Jesus(as)...
Allah condemns wars and Allah only sent his wrath upon those who wanted to erase Islam from the face like Abu Jahl...
Didn't he accept the bowel of a camel on his back while he was in the Sajda? What did he do? Pray for the ignorant! What would you do? Leave namaz and call for Jihad...
How did he dominate the Kuffr? With the sword? Never. If he dominated the kuffr, then Judaism and Christiantity shouldn't have survived. Everyone would be a Muslim Today...
Oi circket, kiddan? :D
sab theek thaak?
Acha,
why don't you simply answer my question as this definition of the Seal is the true one. You know that and I know that. Don't make the illeterate people regret their decision by following your nonsense.
Why don't you simply answer it? Run away? Run away? Run my brother, run my brother, How long will thee run?
Oh yes, fervid brother
Go and kill the swine and break the cross (according to thy belief of Islam) what are you doing here?
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The true face of Qadiani's followers is evident here through this guy, Numb. Their slogan is 'love for all, hatred for no one'. But Numb threatens one person of getting a 'painful' response from him, and then calls all of us 'jokers' for calling Qadiani what he was, a kazzab.
This is this duplicity of theirs which convinces us of their leaders' anti-Islam agenda. Qadiani's followers say that they consider us Muslims, and yet they have no problem calling us 'nonbelievers'!
And I am still waiting for the question I asked: how come Qadiani follow Imam Abu Hanifa?
Avant!!!!
don't mislead the people, ok!
When I call you jokers, then it's nothing wrong with that. I'm rather amused by the way of thinking of you all that leaves me droolin'...
You are making no sense to me at all and will never make and this is what makes me call people like you jokers, storyteller...Avant, go away. May the blessings of Allah, the exalted, the merciful and the gracious be upon you!
You call Mirza Ghulam Ahmad a Kazzab and then cry like a little girl
**"We've been called nonbeliever, nonbelievers, nonbelievers"
Bravo, I applaude you! :biggthumb
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by the way, what is wrong with following Imam Abu Hanifa? Maybe I did't get there something from your side.
Didn't he accept it for more than 8 years? ** **Allah established the Islamic State, don't forget that. The last decision is in Allah's hand, not in a Prophet's...doesn't matter if it is Muhammad (saw), Moses (ra) or Jesus(as)...
*Allah condemns wars and Allah only sent his wrath upon those who wanted to erase Islam from the face like Abu Jahl... *
Didn't he accept the bowel of a camel on his back while he was in the Sajda? What did he do? Pray for the ignorant! What would you do? Leave namaz and call for Jihad...
How did he dominate the Kuffr? With the sword? Never. If he dominated the kuffr, then Judaism and Christiantity shouldn't have survived. Everyone would be a Muslim Today...
Very well said. I dont think anyone will disagree with these points. Something to add (as a personal view) would be that the problems faced by Muslim Ummah today is only becasue of these extremist views by few. You only want to kill people created by Allah and probably thats why Allah is not helping you in this noble cause of yours.
I personally feel very sad when USA or UK attack Afghanistan, Iraq or Northern Pakistan and kill innocent women and children whilst killing the extremists.
"Unless you learn to live in peace with other human beings you cannot live in peace with Allah."
Re: A question to Ahmadis
^
Thank You
Prince Abbas, Fervid, Cricket
Where are you? Come back to the table of discussion. This is not done yet. And I also call Hareem back here WHO has told only the half truth about MGA calling himself God. She did not tell us what happened after that. I want AQ also here.
Prince Abbas, once again, what is wrong in following in Imam Abu Hanifa?
Re: A question to Ahmadis
^ you complete ignored my post. You say your definition of SEAL is right? You want a cookie? Come on dude, do not corrupt the belief that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is last prophet.
Re: A question to Ahmadis
Following Imam Abu Hanifa, well he didn't believe in MGA character nor his beliefs. So why do you guys follow the Hanafi madhab? That's the question at hand.