**Democratic leaders in the United States House of Representatives sought to quell a furore among legislators on Thursday **
over a question Representative Ilhan Omar asked about US opposition to International Criminal Court (ICC) inquiries into
alleged war crimes in Israel and Afghanistan…
**War Crimes aught to investigated even if they are committed in the Holy Land or Afghanistan! **
You know I dont see eye to eye with the socialists group of Bernie, AOC, Ilhan & Tlaib, but when it comes to anti-war and anti-islamophobic stand, there is no one else we can find with a real moral stand like these people.
Just look at the Palestinian situation. This is the only group who is extremely vocal in support of Palestinians even though Bernie himself is a Jew.
Ironically I know a lot of muslims/Pakistanis who didnt vote for Biden due to their pro-LGBT stand but now with this going around, we look towards the same folks.
Simply since creation of universe nothing holds true more than might is right. Powerful will force their will on weaker.
I think there should be an independent political party of Muslims in the US even if it can never win. The goal should be to lead Muslims ideologically regarding political issues, and to also act as a political nursery for future Muslim politicians who would upon graduation can join either republicans or democrats but can still think independently as an American Muslim. Without such training, they will always look up to non-Muslims for political direction. Illhan Omar has an independent streak only because she got that sort of training early on in life by living in a political environment that was independent of the two parties.
I see great parallels in the US and the post-partition Indian political setup. In India too there is either Congress or BJP which can actually form a government in the center. There are Muslims in both parties, but due to lack of a nationwide Muslim political party, Indian Muslims lack independent political judgement so can’t do anything without the blessing of either Congress or BJP. Despite being almost 30 crores, there was not a single protest by Indian Muslims for Palestinians in India last month because neither of the two big parties supported that. They must have the backing of at least one of the two parties to even pursue their domestic issues. For example, as long as Congress supported Babri masjid, they protested and felt so hopeful but when Indian supreme court ruled against them and the Congress party agreed with the judgement, they became directionless. As a result, Congress party knows that Muslim vote is guaranteed due to hardline BJP stance, so Indian Muslims have an even weaker bargaining position now than they had 50 years ago. I wish Muslims in the US could learn from the mistake of Muslims in India.
She has been critcized for always omitting the bigest atrocities of our time and that is the Genocide of Poor Yeminis by the wealthy Saudis. Estimates of 233K dead and worst humanitarian crisis and dismemberment of Khashogi and abuse and rape of foreign workers in KSA. Yupp!! the bigotry and hate is some fine training. Yes and 1 percent of Muslims can become a political force? with maybe .2 percent of population practicing! Do you think she gets funding from KSA
You believe in might is right when it comes to atrocities committed by the US. But when it comes to atrocities committed by Saudi Arabia, you talk of justice. If you ask me I think anyone who committed crimes against humanity should be punished, but just to make sure that everyone gets the punishment, we should start with punishing the most powerful first. Because if the most powerful cannot be punished then no point in punishing anyone else.
Although Yemen has suffered immensely but not nearly as much as Afghanistan and Iraq. Also extent of direct Saudi involvement is highly debatable because US has been bombing Yemen since 2002, and Saudi Arabia started doing the same in 2015 using US intelligence, US planes and US bombs. Biden stopped support to Saudi Arabia in Feb 2021 and in March 2021 Saudis proposed ceasefire. I see both of them responsible.
Isis, Alqaeda had the same idea and then they started gang raping little girls, they luckily got annihilated so the might prevailed. The rules of might is right is a law of nature, if you believe in creation than the creator must have made that law. Even grass tries to kill the seedlings, trees try to shadow and kill new budding trees.
US could have chosen to treat immigrants like Saudis, where they slap, spit on workers, rape domestic workers and yet they chose to give us equal rights. They have been the most benevolent super power. The Sultan had hundreds of sec slaves, Obama is scared of Michelle
This is patently false
Can any of the anti-Saudi congressional activists now show that they have criticized Israel aside from “Israel has the right to defend itself” type excuses typical of Bill Maher?
I’m look at you GOP and corporate Dems like Biden himself.
I’ll wait but then hell might freeze over.
Looks like Mehdi Hassan and Wajahat Ali have been reading my posts as I’ve repeatedly said the same thing:
It is possible Ilhan Omer may not be elected for another term, but I guess she is ok with that. So refreshing to see her retweets these days:
Lol, ISIS was a direct result of the Iraq-war. Al-Qaeda was a direct result of the CIA’s interference in Afghanistan during the USSR’s incursion into Afghanistan and the mujahideen movement in the 1980’s.
So, you see? The United States is responsible for the mess that was created in the Middle East. Every terrorist atrocity that was committed in this region, in the last 50 odd years, was as a result of the United States direct involvement in the region.
The US was never able to prove the WMD claims. Even the CIA later admitted that the intel was false. Tony Blair is the most hated man in Britain, because he took them to war, just because he wanted to buddy-up with Bush Jr.
After 20 years, Biden claims they are withdrawing from Afghanistan because they’ve achieved what they set out to do, and what was it that they set out to do?
I’m not trying to argue with you, but these are facts that you simply cannot ignore.
I know this has been a pet answer, we gang raped children and beheaded people and stoned adulterers and gays but US made us do it! As if US can make them do stuff their god prohibited. I would commend US for urging the despot Saddam to leave, if he had left, there would be no war.
The biggest problem is criminal mishandling of US wherever they went. And the reasons behind their invasion is beyond doubt their greed to occupy the local resources (except Afghanistan where they actually went to remove the causes of 9/11). but again they had no idea what they were doing. They are so stupid that a lot of people made tons of $$$ for selling the fake info about OBL and these idiots kept pouring money.
In the end Karma is a b!tch. If you look at the mental status of the soldiers coming back you’ll feel for them. Lots of them end up taking their own lives which is really sad.
LOL! Iraq was the most secular country in the region, during Saddam’s regime. I suggest you read-up on it. Alcohol used to flow freely, people were incentivized to get an education, there was no hijab mandate. The price for all of this? Allegiance to Saddam and his p!ss poor leadership skills. He was a totalitarian, I am one of his biggest critics, because during the gulf war, when he invaded Kuwait, he upended all of my grand fathers hard work that he had put in to building himself an empire, however, without a shadow of doubt, Iraq was better-off during Saddam’s regime. I’m not the only one saying this, I’ve heard this very sentiment from countless Iraqi’s.
The only problem was that he had issues with the Kurds, but who doesn’t? They are people without a land, but because they aren’t Jews, their struggles will go unnoticed until the end of time.
I’m not trying to side with that mad man, but looking at the state that Iraq is in, I’m sorry, but somethings should not be changed or messed with.
Getting to your last point about asking Saddam to leave? A foreign power has no right to ask a leader of a sovereign nation to step down. Foreign intervention in to state is also illegal as per the Geneva convention.
I believe going to war with Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11, because I cannot come to terms with the fact that barebones militia could mastermind the most sophisticated terrorist attack in recorded history. Also, we’ve all seen the towers come down. I was 14 when it happened, there’s no way a couple of planes could cause 2 of the tallest skyscrapers in the northern hemisphere to come down.
The US wanted leverage in the region, they wanted to be there if sh!t hit the fan and Pakistan & India did go to war. Also, Afghanistan borders with China, so having military presence in the region was crucial.
I used to work as a consultant for a USDoD contractor, and I have been to Afghanistan & Iraq. I will never forget the day when we landed in a mid-sized FOB called Salerno in Afghanistan, which was situated on the floor of a valley, surrounded by tall mountains. The base was also called sniper alley among the soldiers serving in Afghanistan. and just like the name would suggest, there had been heavy sniper fire just 30 minutes before we had landed there and 1 US solider had sustained severe injuries as a result. We were quickly escorted into the underground bunkers where we remained for the 3 days we were there for. I remember the soldiers there had a look of pure resentment on their faces, and I can absolutely believe their claims of severe PTSD.
The most powerful Nations always ruled, US despite all its shortcomings has been the most benevolent super power, smart countries snd leaders know to listen when they are told something, most European countries, KSA etc do. Sovereignty is a farce. In Topkapi I had seen Sultans Haram where he kept hundreds of sex slaves, the guards were castrated, here we have leaders who respect their wives.
Saddam and Ghaddifi were given choices, they chose poorly.
If this logic is taken at face value, then the Palestinians were asked to leave as well, but they refused, did they choose poorly? From what I’ve read in your posts on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is that you side with the Palestinians.
And please, the US is anything but benevolent, they’ve started more unnecessary wars since WWII, than any other nation. Surprisingly, they’ve never won a single one of them.
A benevolent superpower would not start wars with countries like Vietnam, whos GDP at the time was less than most American towns. The Americans lost that war miserably, but the worst part was that 2.5 million innocent Vietnamese people lost their lives.
Remember, the US is the only nation on earth to have used a thermonuclear weapon on civilians. They annihilated 2 cities, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese people, with millions that suffered the affects of radiation sickness and died horrible deaths decades later.
What are you talking about?
We all have to make choices, If someone points a gun at me and me giving him my wallet is not agreeing with him. In case of Palestine their sufferings resulted in changing world opinions so their sacrifices did matter. Although if they had made peace when Clinton had gotten the best deal possible for them that would have been a good choice, I feel Arafat chose himself over well-being of his people
The 67 war with Palestine was a poor choice.
I also feel that by electing Hamas was a poor choice by Palestinian people.
I have taught my kids that fairness has never existed, just worry about goals and strategize and work to achieve them.
That discussion is a completely different can of worms, and would require a thread of its own. My point is that there was no justification for either of the 2 wars that were started by the US, that have resulted in countless innocent lives lost. Bush Jr. & Blair should both be tried in the Hague for war crimes and should be held accountable for their actions, which were purely motivated by greed.
And to the OP, my apologies, I did not mean to derail your thread.
So they have the power to annihilate any country on the planet within minutes, yet they chose not to. They can colonize most countries, they chose not to. They could chose to enslave all of us they chose not to. Compare that to beheading war captives, making all the women sex slaves, their children slaves.
Just answer this, if they chose, how long will it take them to annihilate every living soul in Afghanistan?
Use of Atom bomb was bad but they could have wiped of entire Japan and yet they allowed Japanese to have luxurious lives. They could have taken all Arab oil by force yet Sheikhs live a vulgar extravagant life.
They are good because they have the power to do much worse and they don’t. Can they not chose to treat immigrants like Saudis do?