exactly right imranz,
but if people can express their opinion, even by swearing, then WHY HAS PRALAYS MESSAGE BEEN REMOVED?
WHY ARE THEIR DOUBLE STANDARDS??
there has been no answer yet..
muzna, tarik khan, admin,
pleeeeeeeeeez speak up!
shiraarty why don't you get it,and please be specific dusroon ke nain tum just appne prophet ke izzat karwana chaaete ho.
I think tariq or other admin person also muslim and they will ask you or US to stop this discussion,instead of answering your question that they will allow people to disrespect Prophet Muhammad (SAW)(not other prophet) by posting that kind of sick jokes.
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In the name of God the most gracious the most merciful.
I don't know why most of the people here are unable to understand a very simple thing. I repeated again and again, let QADIYANESE SEPARATE THEMSELVES FROM ISLAM, inshallah we will respect Mirza as we respect any other religious personalities of other religions.
TO ALL MUSLIMS :
Just read what Mirza Ghulam Ahmed has written about Allah SWT and Mohammed PBUH and Hazrat Eisa.
JUST READ IT FIRST.
And even then, if u think i was wrong in calling Mirza JHOOTA, SHAITAN, KAFIR AND DAJJAL. Phir aap ka iman aap key sath mera iman meray sath. BUT READ IT BEFORE SAYING N E THING.
Aur main usay koi galian to nahin day raha hoon, i am just describing his personality. The muslims should agree to his. Tell me do u not consider him a liar, a kafir,.... Then wats the problem.
To all admins :
Do what ever u want to, but don't forget Qayamat key din Allah ko moon dikhana hay!!! Aur eik bohot mushhur baat hay, Allah ka nafarman/ gunahgar to shayad bach jaay (since Allah SWT is the 1 Himself who will forgive for His nafarmani) Lakin Mohammed pbuh ka nafarman / gunahgar kahan jaay ga!!!. And Tariq, who is comparing Mohammed pbuh with anyone?????? u think we are comparing him with Mirza, huh!!!!!!!. u can think that ????
Anjaani sahiba : u r anjaani will all this! First of all calmness / Patience har jagah nahin chalti. If it was the case, Hazrat Abu Bakr might not have fought jihad with the zakat munkareen, remember that???. They only rejected to pay Zakat isn't it, then why a jihad. So u see har jagah patience aur calmness nahin chalti. There are situations in which those should be prefered. Kuch aya aap ki samagh main ???
Shiraarty :
Man i am sure u r SOMEONEELSE, ZALIM AND PRALAY. But Wallahu alam!!
Me and guest are two different people. Allah ki kasam i am not guest, bas.
Imranz:
What do u mean Average Muslim. Every Muslim believes that the preachings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed and his claims are false.
"make sure you are able to prove it not just start calling names"
Hmm, yaar agar apnay thori se zehmat ki hoti to Religious affairs main Qadianism / Ahmediat per kafi topics hain, jiss say in logon key believes bohot wazeh ho jaatay hain, so i think proofs are available bus aap ko parhnay ki takleef kerni hogee :).
For Muslims again:
Just after the death of Mohammed pbuh there was a similar case, a man claimed to be profit, and the khulafa fought jihad against them.
So bhaiyo, aap ki band ankhoon per jo Western culture ki patti bandhi hay usay utar ker kuch islam key baray main par lain to acha hoga.
For Qadiyaanis:
Now look, i have repeated it again and again, as a muslim i will not, and no other muslim will insult any religious personalities of other religions. BUT DO NOT INTERFERE IN OUR RELIGION. DON"T CALL U R SELF MUSLIMS. That is the condition for it.
N e other queries????
yaaro,
i am not interested in whether kadianis are right or wrong, seperate or not, ..
get one thing clear.. i wil not like to asscociate myself neither from islam nor qadiyaniyat, nor any other religion, who teaches its followers to swear at others!
well i think you have said enuff points, and my question from the admins is still there,
AND UNANSWERED!
IF ADMINS HAD A REPLY, THEY WOULDVE SHOVED IT UP MY ASS BY NOW..
so i think the discussion is over from my side..
admins ae answerless.
Shiraarty: Before you go there are couple of advices for you:
1)First relax,take everything easy,forget about this discussion,take few days vacation if you can.
2)After you come back from vacation,get a hold of any local masjid maulvi and make appointment,(please make sure you make appont.because they have alot of people to make muslim)and request that you want to renew your Eeman,the joke that you wrote can get you in trouble with SUPER,here and hereafter,or if you are a qadiani,then immediatly go to masjid,or you can say it here to prove everybody you are not qadiani,that You believe Prophet Muhammad is the last messenger of ALLAH.or Just complete the Kalima,please do so quickly.
3)and after you do all above,then I can assure you,you will be in complete peace,in your life and life hereafter,specially you will have the answer for that question,which you have been trying to ask from admin.
By the way I'm not f-ghost,you believe or not I don't care.
Shiraarty
I am not going to disagree with you that no one accepts any disrespect towards their religious leader. I am a muslim and I don't want anyone to show any disrespect for Prophet Mohammed (S.A.W). And for that matter only, I will keep an eye on all the postings which show any disrespect or name calling for any person who is considered to be a religious leader by any group of people. Because if it wont be stopped then it will give a right to anyone to bad mouth about anyone including my Prophet (PBUH).
I hope that I made myself clear. Guys and girls, please try to follow this policy, for your own sake.
Thanks
Okay enuf.
I've read through most of the above. Not all . . . .enough that I didn't want to read anymore. . .
This is such a typical display of desi behaviour. . .criticize without considering your self.
All of you people that are up there pointing the finger at each other and at the Admin team, all that are so adamant about defending their respective faith and it's messengers. . . .relax for a minute and take a deep breath.
Now tell me. . .why does your blood only boil when somebody throws an insult at you? Does your blood boil in the same way when you miss a namaaz? Do you reprimand yourself as much and as harshly as you are reprimanding others?
Please! Islam needs no defense. Our prophets need no defense. Allah has taken care of that. I've said it before and I shall repeat it as many times as is necessary for it to sink in . . . . nothing a mere mortal can say or do will take away from the prestige, honor and rank that we hold our religious leaders in.
If I believe strongly enough in my faith -- nothing you can say or do will make me change.
Try the approach and see how it makes you feel. I guarantee that you shall feel ten feet tall!
Miss Muzna
U r wrong. U should have read all of it b4 making such ignorant comments. As u'r posts gives a msg that we should have tolerated PRALAY's statement. If our behavior was desi then I think it was much better than u'rs, since we have at least love for our religious personalities. Those Westerns injections have done their job I think, as is clear from u r comments.
Ok, if I abuse u, or u r father or mother, or u'r whole family, will u'r blood boil or it will be as calm as ever??
Of course it will boil, that's b'cos u love them, similarly, we also love our Prophet pbuh (hamaray maan baap un per qurban) so we cannot tolerate any disrespective statement for him. Of course no one can change n e thing.
Muzna, u cannot handle this conflict b'cos u lack the knowledge required to understand such things, I am sure Tariq khan is doing it much better. So its my advice for u, refrain from giving any such posts. Aap apni administration Religious Affairs key bahar chalaeen.
Thanks.
to saara nazlaa becharee muzna pay gir rahaa hai!
toba hai bhai tobaa..
she has to pay for being MUZNA!
muzna bibi in ko ignore kero..
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friendly ghost ,
dearest friend, try to understand your own point..
aap nay bola na,
Ok, if I abuse u, or u r father or mother, or u'r whole family, will u'r blood boil or it will be as calm as ever??
yehee baat hai..
aap nay kisi ko gaali dee kay nahee?? dee thee na!
phir jaisay your blood boiled, waisay, shirarti's blood boiled too!
well well well
muzna arent we being unfair by categorizing shirarti with these other people..
because it is these people who swore.. shirarti didnt..
is ka jawaab yeh milay ga, friendly ghost will say, anti sicrates is shirarrti,
agar aisa bhee ho, tub bhee.. point to hai!
"aap nay kisi ko gaali dee kay nahee?? dee thee na!"
Konsi gali dee mainey aur kis ko dee???
Pralay, ab batain bananay say koi faida nahin, everybody knows u now.
Just an advice for u, try to be more bold even if u r a loser, accept that u have lost, chehray badalna mardoon ka kaam nahin. So try to be yourself and not "someoneelse".
What i said was right and i can say it 100000000000 times in front of n e 1 inshallah, since i am Muslim and not a darpok like u.
Request to Admins:
I am sure everybody knows who this person is, so i want to request the admins to cancel his account.
cancel his account.
LOL
dream on...
I think Muzna is right. I have been following the discussions and everyones reactions on both sides is simply immature. Be strong in what you believe and if you are not strong, you will end up trying to protect your feelings, which is what has been happening. Only ALLAH is the ultimate protector.
Later,
Zman
[This message has been edited by zman (edited 10-27-98).]
Dear FG,
If you feel that I am wrong that is okay by me. I am not going to let that "boil my blood". Nor will it affect me if you were to become abusive towards me or towards those that I love. I will merely use your comments to form an opinion of your mental capacities. . . . interpret as you may. I am mindful of the fact though, that not all will remain cool as I will, hence I watch what I say about others and their loved ones. And that includes their religious leaders.
I may or may not agree with what people are saying but I will not resort to abuse. That is my character and I am proud of it.
You go ahead and push the envelope as far as you wish. I shall not fall prey to your provocations.
:)Muzna
Aap ko kaha tha na key baat aap key samaghney ki nahin hay :)
Friendly_Ghost posted 10-14-98 11:07 PM CT (US)
Now u can't run n e where, u have to accept that u'r sick mentally retarded community is based on the sick believes of a sick man i.e. mirza ghulam ahmed.
someone else posted 10-14-98 12:45 PM CT (US)
surah al-nisa verse 149:
allah taala yeh pasand nahee kertaa kay khulam khulaa sakht kalaami kee jaye
surah al-inaam, verse 109:
aur un kay maboodaan-e-baatila ko bhee gaali mut do
Assalam-u-Alaicum Brothers and Ssiters in
Islam
Allah will prevail this religion of Islam
over all false religon of the world whether
it's Qadianees or any other. All we have to
do is to start practising this religion. If
we do that no one be able to mislead or
confuse anybody about Islam. Sahabas used to
say non-muslims, " Ko Noo Mislana" (be like
us). Why , because Islam was in their lives.
Vassalam
Chalo yaron, khatum karo is baat ko. This thread portrays personalities clash more than policy clash. We can definitely do without that. Fact of the matter of this that most of us are muslim, not by choice, but by chance. Most of us are not defending Islam, but our parents religion. If I was a Christian, Hindu or Jew, I would be defending my religion and my prophet with the same loyalty. And admit it or not, most of you would be doing the same thing if you were a non-muslim. So quit it and lets talk about something else
ladies and gentleman,
please welcome..
tarik khan...
trying to cover up for his mistakes..
it was his mistake that he ignored insulting stuff about people of other religions, as well as their religious figures!
and it is because of him that shiraarty, someone else, friendly ghost ans guest have left the forum!
Anti Socrates . . .
What makes you think that those people have left?
Do you realize that the Admin group is privy to information like membership particulars and also to IP addressing information? We can see exactly who is around and who isn't. . . .
muzna behen!
IP adress??
hahaha!
aap ka khyaal hai is IP address he way to identify people?
20 000 people living in my town, use the same internet service as me!
and all 20 000 of them get the same ip address..
like... point hai!