Yes, please have pity on me for not being able to translate it. Unfortunately, my religion is so old and ancient that I don’t undersdtand all of them. And I am sure, Ibrahim doesn’t understand even half of what I understand.
So, he should quote his source of intrepretation to prove his credibility.
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Kumarakn pity on you. I don;t think a person can present something more authentic than the exact verses. Its a duty for you to find the meanings of those verses, definelty if you follow your relgion and are intereted to learn u definetly get to know what author to consult while undertsanding the inerpretations on it.
when you are talking about ur relgion then don;t jump on to islamic websites interpretations we are not even talking about any such interpretations , rather we ask you to come up with a best explaination.
How can you undertsand a relegion and follow it if nobody can come up with a meaningful interpretation??
its very silly of you to say that i am supporting a person of "same religion" . why don;t you come up with proper answers about your religion???
Madam: I don’t want to take this discussion to my religion Vs. Your religion level.
**All I am asking for is a reference for his intrepretation. Atleast he should give us the verses - the Sanskrit or Brahmi verses.
No verses, no publisher or website reference, just a fictitious verse number and a fictitious intrepretation. Is this the best your freinds can come up with? **
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And PS: thanks for having pity on me for being in a religion that has scripts that is so much older than the life time of the mushrooms of the last millenia.
Faiz warsi:
With all due respect, as asked in your previous post, I DID come up with my explanation to the title in questio, beofre I challenged the authenticity of this guy’s comment. Please read the thread again to know more.
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Ha ha ha ha!!
Drowning in Uncontrollable laughter!!
**May I have your attention please…
I did a google search on “Siva Purana, Dharmasamhita 10:187-90; cf. B. K. Sarkar, pp.234-5”, guess what I got.
themordernreligion.com ← another site that is so insecure with Islam that it has to invent fictitious verses, people and quotes to ridicule other religions -including christianity, Buddhism and Hindusim."
Islam is a beautiful religion - on its own. Why do some small minded (a small group of) muslims forget that their religion would be beautiful even without degrading other religions?
This Islamic website quotes about Hindu scriptures which no other Hindu website even mentions about. There is no trace of such verse in the entire Hindu web.
The cat is (finally) out of the bag.
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Originally posted by kumarakn:
Aishaa..your source please?
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What source? for what? have i quoted anything? sheesh
if you are a muslim you follow quran.
all the hindus dont follow any scriptures
and practise at different levels.
some people dont eat meat some people sacrfice animals to gods. also it is not one
religen a collection of religens that includes tribal elements. also aethism
i think it is called "nasithikam "is allowed.
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Originally posted by kumarakn:
**Yes, please have pity on me for not being able to translate it. Unfortunately, my religion is so old and ancient that I don't undersdtand all of them. And I am sure, Ibrahim doesn't understand even half of what I understand.
Ibrahim says; Greetings of Peace to one and all
Hey kumarkn!
What is that you know about me to say that I don’t understand half of what you know?? Have you proved on this forum or any other forum you know more than me????
Or have you a crystal ball or a magic mirror, which has conveyed the facts to you about me??
It seems you lack honesty in you at least another hindu on this board just claimed it was all mythology and quit the scene but you, NO NOT YOU! you would like to twist and turn till kingdom come , so that you can deny it all together.
First you asked for publisher reference
Now you want source of interpretation
Further down you want the original texts in Sanskrit or Brahami not even knowing that these texts can only be in Sanskrit for this are puranas ?
I can understand your NEED to deny this and your predicament that all this cannot be acknowledged by a hindu . ( which would amount to strangling oneself)
But beating around the bush is rather silly don’t you think so?? I mean we should grow up man!
The source for this is the puranas they are sacred texts which are equaled to hadiths, the exact references have been presented to you, instead of checking your books you keep trumpeting about credibility, don’t you think that is rather silly?
ARE YOU CLAIMIMG YOUR PURANAS ARE NOT CREDIBLE??
Kumarkn: So, he should quote his source of interpretation to prove his credibility.
Ibrahim says; What a silly notion?? Sacred texts does not become credible or false on account of who translated them , It is proven credible by verifying its existence or its fabrication.
HAVE YOU BEEN MAN ENOUGH TO DO IT???
Or will you keep accusing the Muslims of its fabrication, because it suits you to do so rather than verifying its existence of at least telling us how and why siva’s phallus was and is worshipped in Hinduism.
You have a choice,
1) verify the contents and prove them wrong ( hey I will take your word for it, although after witnessing your spin doctoring that will be hard for rational people to do)
2) OR Put forward the texts in hindu scriptures that tells us why only siva’s lingam MUST be worshipped??
(Why not Krishna, Vishnu, Brahma’s penis is not acceptable for worship why only siva’s thingy??)
Devoted to truth
Ibrahim
Every label you apply to yourself is a boundary or a limit of one kind or another!
Hence hindus will NEVER deny Hinduism no matter what!
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Originally posted by kumarakn:
**Ha ha ha ha!! Drowning in Uncontrollable laughter!!
Ibrahim says: Greetings of Peace to one and all.
Hey Kumarkn! You seem to be laughing all the while, that is good but the one who laughs last are the ones who have succeeded don’t you think so??
Kumrakn: May I have your attention please.....
I did a google search on "Siva Purana, Dharmasamhita 10:187-90; cf. B. K. Sarkar, pp.234-5", guess what I got.
themordernreligion.com <- another site that is so insecure with Islam that it has to invent fictitious verses, people and quotes to ridicule other religions -including christianity, Buddhism and Hindusim."
Ibrahim says: You mean that web site has compiled the texts so it becomes false??
Naaw… you mean it is false because it will ONLY be authentic IF a hindu web site will host it right??
What a silly notion you seem to have! ( we cannot blame you can we) , do you know who authored those texts and who used them for discussion with the hindus on the hinduunity.org forum so much so they closed that forum down in one week?? ( check it out with hinduunity.org if you doubt it ask them if the recollect about Ibrahim)
Please use your crystal ball or magic mirror to tell us about it! Tell us how that web owner got those texts there in the first place, because many hindus know about it!
Kumarkn: Islam is a beautiful religion - on its own. Why do some small minded (a small group of) muslims forget that their religion would be beautiful even without degrading other religions?
Ibrahim says; man you are just pathetic….we are talking about authentic verses in the hindu scriptures and without proving to us or to yourself that they are unauthentic you have now resorted to accuse others without any foundation!
Are you that mean or does your faith teaches you to make accusations without evidence??
Kumarkn: This Islamic website quotes about Hindu scriptures which no other Hindu website even mentions about. There is no trace of such verse in the entire Hindu web.
Ibrahim says: Man you are so naïve , do you want me to prove that you are lying?
tell you what, that web site also provides a lot of info from manu smrti and manu smrti is on the net, have you verified any of it??
Will you claim they are false or true??
You are trying to deny the siva’s stories because no hindu web site or books will print them ( which would and should be obvious) as such they become false??
OK let me make it simple for you, can you deny Krishna seduced 16,000 maidens and got them pregnant for 10 years having 160,000 children and killed them all to relief his burden , should anyone consider him a god?
Kumarkn: The cat is (finally) out of the bag.
Ibrahim says: Yes the cat is out but the rat has been proved as a rat.
Devoted to truth
Ibrahim
One just man cause the devil greater affliction than a million blind followers!
Shame on -> themordernreligion.com website and its supporters for having stooped so low to propagate the supremacy of its beliefs.
They are NOT muslims, for I consider muslims to be much much superior!
I end! You have fun writing 10000 lines about me or my religion. Unless nothing else constructive is contributed to this thread, I am outta here for good.
Over and out!
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Originally posted by kumarakn:
Shame on -> themordernreligion.com website and its supporters for having stooped so low to propagate the supremacy of its beliefs.
Ibrahim says: Greetings of Peace to one and all
Hey kumarakn: Aren’t you overreacting and slandering others without evidence??
Earlier you stooped so low as to claim I did not answer your questions , when I asked which one, you have not replied yet!
Than you tried to twist and turn the subject up till now you have not produced any evidence to proof the contents of my post to be false.
Your cry now is that it has been hosted on a Muslim web site so it MUST be false…..seems to be the only way out for you.
Why are you not keen enough to check your books?
I further challenged you to check out the rest of the contents some of which are from manu smrti which can be easily cross checked since manu smrti is easily available on the net?
Why are you not interested in checking them for yourself, after all don’t you want to expose the Muslims as fabricators of those texts??
Kumarakn: They are NOT muslims, for I consider muslims to be much much superior!
Ibrahim says; Oh you do! Meaning they should lie about what is found written in hindu sacred books?
Hmm….and earlier you claimed they had fabricated those texts doesn’t that sound contradictory …oh well you will say as it suits you, right?
BTW did you read the heading of that page? Try searching for “Dealing with hindu heretics” (on goggle) so that you will know what the web master is advising its readers concerning the contents.
This is funny, so far you have made many accusations without any valid proof for them , don’t you think you should come out of your well and deal with the issues I raised ?
Devoted to truth
Ibrahim
Many know what they are fleeing from, but not what they are in search of.
ibrahim, thanks for explaining this touchy matter. could you also explain what sin was committed by lord shiva?
i heard a story that he was cheating on his wife and chasing another hindu god in skies when she got ticked off and cut his penis which dropped on earth. thus the reason for worshipping. is there any truth to this? thanks in advance.
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**ibrahim, thanks for explaining this touchy matter. could you also explain what sin was committed by lord shiva?
Ibrahim says; Greetings of Peace to one and all
Hi Mundyaa!
The sin was rape. Which had no other recourse but the removal of the sinning part.
Mundyaa: i heard a story that he was cheating on his wife and chasing another hindu god in skies when she got ticked off and cut his penis which dropped on earth. thus the reason for worshipping. is there any truth to this? thanks in advance.
Ibrahim says: This is the problem, there are many stories in Hinduism about how it came to be and most of them will not have proper references ( meaning exact location of the texts so that one can verify its authenticity)
Hence I will refrain from comment on unauthentic stuff. I believe I already quoted some parts of the story that you are relating to which was how the linga fell to the earth .
Kindly read what I posted earlier:-
"... He (Siva) agreed to this and laughed, for he was secretly amused, and he said to Brahma, 'There is no good use for this linga except for the creation of progeny.' And as he said this he broke it off and threw it upon the surface of the earth. The linga broke through the earth down to the subterranean hell and went to the very sky. Visnu sought the end of it below, and Brahma flew upwards, but they did not find the end of it, for all their vital effort. Then a voice arose out of the sky as the two of them sat there, and it said, 'If the linga of the god with braided hair is worshipped, it will certainly grant all desires that are longed for in the heart.' When Brahma and Visnu heard this, they and all the divinities worshipped the linga with devotion, with their hearts set upon Rudra (Siva)." -- Siva Purana, Dharmasamhita 49:23b-46, 74-86.
Ibrahim says: Sorry I dare not add to this since this are considered sacred matters ( no matter how silly they may sound) and although we all have our own opinions we should refrain from saying things that we are not sure of.
Some day I come across, your version with authentic references I will be pleased to advice you.
Devoted to truth
Ibrahim
If you want the rainbow you have to put up with the rain
ibrahim, thanks. i fail to see the reason why this explanation has not settled in with kumarkan. i read the same stories in my religion class some years ago which arent right all the time either but like you said the essence remains the same.
kumarkan, 1. u dont have the knowledge of your own religion to deny or refute ibrahims claims 2. he has expressed more care and shown more respect to hinduism than surprise surprise many hindus here themselves, who repeatedly show a dont give a shi* attitude towards their own faith 3. you have been quick to jump out of this thread without providing what real explanations from the sources you consider authentic. which leaves the matter undecided. instead you have called everyone else names unfortunately that has only made u look crooked.
religen is used to cheat people divert the attention. hungry people dont read scriptures
dont have time for endless debate scriptures
dont have answers for the people in the subcontnent and ther immediate needs.