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*Originally posted by Abba Jaan: *
He is such a liar!
the only thing that runs pakistan and especially Punjab particulary Lahore for that matter is the tax paid by karachities. :D
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thats not true, Punjab budget is alway in surplus. however it may be possible that khi being largest city of Pakistan generate more revenue than any other city. that goes to central and sindh goverment. Punjab is not taxing khi people.
Lahore is not being developed at khi cost!
so you people really think that punjab doesntgenerate anything atl all? combine small industrialised cities of Punjab, you will get the figures right.
Faisalabad, Sialkot, Gujranwala, Multan and Lahore even shaikhupura has all major industries, cause khi is port city and important, they tend to have headoffices there.
apart from cities, the rural punjab work hard to provide food and wheet to most the country.
So just stop blaming everything on punjabis, if something worng in khi or sindh, people of sindh or khi primarily responsible for it. cause they run khi and sindh.
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*Originally posted by laeeqkhan: *
I am not a Punjabi myslef but the fact is that Punjabis surely have the biggest hearts. They are always welcoming and accomodating. We see all this nationalism thing amongst mohajirs of Karachia and others, yet Punjabis have always welcomed everyone with open arms.
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It is a combination of Punjabi and Mohajir elites that run Pakistan and have made provinces like Sindh their personal territory. People who speak out against injustices are arrested on sedation charges and terrorized.
These are open secrets. People are not that stupid. The most under represented parts of Pakistan are also the poorest. What good is the huge army budget when the people are without water and other basic necessities? Sometimes I wonder if Punjab is making nuclear weapons to bomb Sindh or Balochistan.
MAJOR GRIEVENCES OF SINDHIS
! Karachi was separated and made the capital of Pakistan, and it remained under federal
exploitation till 1971.
! Forced migration of Sindhi Hindus from Sindh. Sindh was deprived of its educated and
skilled middle classes.
! The allotment of the evacuated properties and the most fertile agricultural lands near Gudu
and Kotri Barrage to immigrants from India and to the retired military and civil bureaucrats.
! The formation of One Unit, which resulted in the total abolition of statehood for all the
provinces. This was done just to deny equal sharing of resources to Province of Bengal and
other smaller provinces.
! Continuous migration from Punjab and other provinces. Official re-settlements of Biharis
from Bangladesh, and Afghanis. Additionally, the construction of Tarbela and Rawal Dams
caused a great influx of immigrants from NWFP and Punjab to Sindh.
! Forced Islamization and denial of indigenous cultures and Sufi traditions. State controlled
media and school curricula popularize Islamic heroes and preach Pan-Islamicism and Two-
Nation Theory, which is against the grain of Sindhi people.
! State sponsored dominance of the Urdu language and total negligence of the indigenous
languages, literature and heritage.
! Direct or indirect military rule or the ‘governor rule’ throughout the 55 years of so-called
freedom.
! Hundreds of Sindhis killed by the state agencies in 1983 and 1986 during the campaigns for
Movement of Restoration of Democracy. Also massacres of Balochs were carried out in
1947 and 1973, and Bengalis in 1970-71.
! Repeated federal dismissal of elected assemblies of Sindh and other provinces in 1992, 1995,
1998 and 1999. Military manipulated the current ‘civilian’ government of 2002.
! State engineered civil wars among various communities in Sindh. Total negligence of law and
order in Sindh, resulting in the paralysis of civic life.
! Unfair allocation of funds for Sindh, e.g. NFC Award, PSDP, etc.
! Continued efforts for the construction of Thal Canal, Kalabagh Dam, which have been
disapproved by all the provincial assemblies except the Punjab assembly. Various dams and
barrages have been built on River Indus resulting in the lack of irrigation in Sindh.
! Manipulations of population census figures.
! The construction of Asia’s largest military cantonments in Sindh.
! Spending more than 70% of total budget on defense and debt servicing.
! Unequal water distribution that has damaged Sindh’s agriculture
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**apart from Nawaz shareef??? remind me any Punjabi PM in history of Pakistan.*
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Abay, how many PM's has Pakistan had since its independence? More to the point how many years has Pakistan been ruled by a civilian govt.?
It is about time we had an Ahmadi PM. At the very least they will concentrate on running the country, rather than worrying about which region a Minister comes from.
And most ahmadis are from punjab anyway. They live near sargodha in a fairy town called Rabwah. Sargodha last I checked was renamed to Faisalabad but still in punjab.
Abay, how many PM's has Pakistan had since its independence? More to the point how many years has Pakistan been ruled by a civilian govt.?
It is about time we had an Ahmadi PM. At the very least they will concentrate on running the country, rather than worrying about which region a Minister comes from.
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ahmadi/qadyani PM will just apply for assylum for himself and his whole cabinet in US, phir kya ho ga.
Treat them as Pakistanis and they will not have to cling to the mohajir identity.
punjabis can say punjab is ours and not anyone elses
balochis can say balochistan is ours and not everyone elses
sindhis can say sindh is ours
pathans say nwfp is ours
so when you have the country dividedin provices along ethnic lines, but a large group has no place to call its own along the same lines, when quotas are passed in provinces like sindh to create academic and employment apartheid for the children and grandchildren of those who migrated to Pakistan, what do you expect them to do. call themselves sindhi?
this is an urban vs rural divide as well, unfortunately the urban residents of sindh were predominantly the educated immigrants from India and the rural were the illiterate sindhis.
of course the term used for immigrants in the early days by the locals was “hindustanis” a little bit of a problem since that refered to hindustan, the arch nemesis of the new country. so what to adopt, in that case the word mohajir were used by many, including the locals to identify the new arrivals.
The immigrants in Punjab were from indian punjab, spoke teh same language and basically were the same group as the one living in the land they had immigrated to and thus assimilated, the case was very diff for urdu speakers, gujrati speakers had a different experience in sindh, a place with culture and language quite different from theirs.
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*Originally posted by mufakkar: *
^ Actually Faisalabad's old name was Lyallpur. Sargodha is still sargodha.
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Thanks for the corection.
Cha Cho: It's OK people make mistakes, Maaf Kardo Yaar.
Aalsi: There is nothing wrong with showing ethnic pride. And tell you what Mr Pakistani-lets make a deal-you get rid of the domiciles and I start thinking pakistani first.
BTW the explosion in Quetta; the person that called the media and claimed responsibility gave is name as "Mir Azad Baluch" which means Honorable Free Baluchistan.
Saby: I thought about that too. When is a mohajir is not a mohajir anymore? I mean what is the waiting period?
Edit: I know many Ahmadi's that are proud to be punjabis first and then pakistanis.
