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Originally posted by hafeez123:
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Dear all, Where do they - the Ibrahims of this world get their ego?
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Ibrahim says: Salaams to all
hafeez 123, this thread is not about my ego but about your foolish suggestions which you implied and pointed the finger at the Qur’an and hadith whereas those verses that you point to, does not convey such a thing.
Now I have already proven that you fabricated the quotes by adding into the quoted verse and hadith.
Do you think you will be human enough to show otherwise? Failing which I have already done my job, which was to establishe that you are a misguided/deviant vomiting your follies on the board .
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This is precisely what Ibrahim keeps doing! He represents the Mullah - the source of decay & everything gone rotten in the world of Islam!
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Ibrahim says: hafeez 123, Now you add I represent the mullah ?? which mullah do I represent?? So again in your haste to escape you snipped away all my questions only to make new accusations, now what does that tell us?
My point being , You added things into hadiths and Qur’anic ayahs when cornered , you start claiming I have attacked Christianity and Hinduism, after which you claim I have preached inequality and talked about heavens in air with houris and I have been instructing others to follow me blindly. To all this now you add, I represent the mullah! ???
Than you go even further in order to switch the scene to repost what I have said concerning you, rather than proving what you have said.
Now so far, you have on your own proven to all the readers , that
1) you will alter/modify verses as you please
2) you will lie
3) you will deceive
Now I have proven this much in this thread and I see NO rebuttal from you concerning such things, meaning you are indeed a fabricator of revealed texts and will lie and deceive to promote your own delusions.
Which means I have achieved my objective.
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Ibrahim has chosen not to quote the complete hadith instead he chose to say the following:
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Ibrahim says hafeez123, I am shocked that you are still having problems understanding what I am saying.
You see, when you claimed that such and such hadith (Sahih Bukhari 5:227) had these words “WINGED white horse with a female face “ ** and I have conveyed it says no such thing.
I have proven you are a liar and fabricator, is this too hard for you to understand??? **
Let me run this past you again, since English does not get through to you too well , that hadith has no such words as mentioned by you { “WINGED white horse with a female face”}
now show the readers that you did not invent this but is actually mentioned in that particular hadith you say is having such words??
** Last chance to come clean failing which you branded yourself a LIAR and untrustworthy person **
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Ibrahim, Pls quote the complete hadith and let the people decide!
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Ibrahim says: what! I will be led by you to spin this thread into another ?? Sorry, you quote it and show us, it has such words, failing which I have established you are a deviant and a liar who has no fears in infusing his own words into sacred texts.
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I care not if Allah has no forms or if he is 30 metre tall, these are the attributions of the sunni scholars.
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Ibrahim says : hafeez123, you see it was you who claimed Allah (swt) was 30 meter tall, when that hadith says Adam (as) was 60 cubits and that hadith you quoted was fabricated/misquoted by you which I corrected earlier. The only reason for me to respond in this thread was because you in ignorance or arrogance infused your own words into that hadith.
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I would rather surmise that: Allah is incomprehensible.
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Ibrahim says: hafeez123, what you surmise has no consequence for Muslims since you are a deviant who lies and invents on his/her own but what the scriptures conveys, that , when quoted accurately will convey that
112:4 ** “And there is none like unto Him” **
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To insist, as Ibrahim does, upon what He (Allah) can be or not be - is blasphemy.
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Ibrahim says; hello hafeez123! still dreaming?? or has this still eluded you
Read!
112;4 ** “And there is none like unto Him” **
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FOLKS, Such impertinence from this copy & post specialist. Maybe, he has been taught only those things that he needs to know to teach his one-sided DOGMA! DOESN"T he know that there exists other verses:
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Ibrahim says; hafeez123, in other words you lied earlier, when you said verse 15:29 was having such words like hands and mouth mentioned in it??? Which was false !
Now you did not quote any other verse and
but did claimed this :-
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AFTER I responded to his blarney, with the VERSES that show:
Allah did make ADAM ** with his own hands ** and Breathed His own spirit ** with his own mouth** into ADAM;
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Ibrahim says : Instead of admitting to your deceiving ways you now say
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[HQ Saad 38:75]It is not only that He created human being, but He created our father Adam, the first human being, by His own two hands. (Allah) said: "O Iblis! what prevented you from prostrating yourself to one whom I have created ** with My two hands?** Are you haughty? or are you one of the high (and mighty) ones?"
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Ibrahim says : Firstly 38:75 does not include your own words as quoted above, which means you will not hesitate to add anything you like into the Qur’an to misguide others or you just cannot be trusted even when you quote any scripture.
Now I already told you why you cannot understand the Qur’an when I quoted Verse 3:7, where Allah (swt) conveyed that some verses in the Qur’an are allegorical and only those who have knowledge will understand them but here you demonstrate once again your ignorance .
The above ayah simply means that Adam (as) was created by Allah (swt) alone and no one else except Him was the Creator . This is what the earlier ayah also conveyed in essence but you added the hands and mouth to it
Which is why I have to insist that you are a deviant who fears not but adds his own construct into revealed texts and sacred texts ( due to ignorance or arrogance) in order to deceive others..
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There you go Ibrahim! Allah has hands. And, since He breathed His own spirit into Adam, Allah did it with His mouth!
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Ibrahim says: hafeez123, Don’t be silly, The Qur’an has allegorical verses in them , such that mankind may be able to understand them . Your problem is that you have deluded yourself into adding your own words into such verses to construct your own follies.
I suggest you read
7: 11 It is ** We who created you** and gave you shape; ** then We bade** the angels bow down to Adam and they bowed down; not so Iblis; he refused to be of those who bow down.
Ibrahim says: the above verse does not mean Allah (swt) has partners, even though it says ‘We” created Adam. Similarly when an ayah says Allah (swt) has two hands it does not mean Allah (swt) is like a human being having two hands ** but means it is was done by Allah (swt) alone. **
Now let me point you the correct direction as to How Allah (swt) creates.
Read and contemplate and avoid making a fool of yourself even though it is anonymous in this medium.
3: 59 This similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam: ** He created him from dust then said to him: "Be" and he was.**
Ibrahim says : thus all you delusions about hands and mouth amounts to Nothing since when Allah (swt) intends a thing He only says “BE” and it will come to pass
In case you will still remain deluded read!
36:82 Verily when He intends a thing ** His command is "Be" and it is! **
83 So glory to Him in Whose hands is the dominion of all things; and to Him will ye be all brought back
Ibrahim says: hafeez123 notice the hands in the above ayah??? Now work on it you may someday find out what that means, when Allah (swt) so willed.
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Here is another Hadith Qudsi that, like the hadith about the 30 metre tall allah, speaks of in similar terms:
Hadith Qudsi: I have created Adam on my image (ala Surati).
Before you opne your mouth, this time, maybe about other verses, I SUGGEST you EDUCATE yourself!
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Ibrahim says: Hafeez123! before you quote anymore hadiths or verses to delude others, ** make sure you quote them as is and give full references for them** failing which I won’t be so tolerant or hesitate to flatly call you a liar from now on.
The choice is yours, IF you quote any verse or hadith, make sure you quote only what it says and not what your evil mouth has conjured and added into them and give full references for them
I also expect to see answers for my earlier questions ( failing which I only need to address you as liar and deviant from now on, which I have proven in this thread. )
Sorry this is a religious forum, not a chat or fun site where you can talk according to your whims and fancies about scripture. I have already pointed to three different places where you have willfully added your own fabrications/conjectures into revealed and scared texts.
** Let me make them clear to you once again. **
1) you claimed Allah (swt) was 30 meters tall by misquoting a hadith
2) you claimed Allah (swt) had mouth and hands by misquoting and adding into Verse 15:9
3) you claimed there was a winged horse with a female face by misquoting a hadith
4) Now you say another hadith says such and such without any reference or full texts
In addition to all this you have accused me of
1) Attacking Christianity and Hinduism
2) Preaching inequality and preaching
3) Castles or heaven in the air stocked with houris
4) To believe and blindly follow me
5) I represent the mullah
6) I am a Copy & post specialist
Ibrahim says: now let us see you have an ounce of trustworthiness or sincerity in you. Which means you have to establish your above statements as true, failing which as I have said, you are a deviant and a liar and I need not elaborate any further as this thread establishes it .
Was salaam
Ibrahim
** you have built castles in the air . now put foundations under them **