A nun convicted of religious harassment after ranting against 'terrorist' Muslims

A nun was convicted of religious harassment after ranting against ‘terrorist’ Muslims in the middle of London’s busy Oxford Street.

http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=NS1432184J&news_headline=nun_accused_of_religious_harassment

Sister Ruth Augustus, 66, was fined £200 after she shouted at two women in full robes and veils “you’re probably terrorists, get back to your own country”.

Later she told cops who arrested her they should go back to Iraq and have their heads chopped off.

City of Westminster Magistrates Court heard how trouble flared when Augustus, a missionary who has worked with prostitutes in the developing world, was handing out prayer leaflets outside Debenhams department store on Easter Tuesday.

When people of Muslim appearance passed she called out “Jesus loves Muslims,” but two ladies in traditional dress took offence.

Fellow leafleter, Tony Rollins, told the court: "The ladies answered back and told her shut her stupid mouth.

"Sister Ruth said to them ‘you’re probably terrorists, get back to your own country’. They gave her a long, hard stare before walking away.

“I was cringing at what she said. It made me feel very uneasy.”

WPC Natasha Walker said she heard a ‘commotion’ outside the shop and went to investigate.

The officer said: "I heard someone shouting ‘terrorists, terrorists’ more than once. It’s busy on Oxford Street, so she must have been shouting really loud.

"I turned round and noticed there were a group of people standing outside Debenhams. Sister Augustus was shouting ‘terrorists’ repeatedly and other things about Muslims.

"I asked her to stop, but she refused. She said ‘I will not stop, I’m a nun’.

“Because she refused to stop I arrested her. She said ‘You’re not arresting me, I’m a nun. It’s a waste of tax payers’ money. You’re arresting me because you’re a Muslim.'”

WPC Walker called for for colleagues to help bundle the ‘agitated and aggressive’ into the back of the police van.

WPC Keeley Pemberton said when she arrived she heard Augustus shouting at PC Walker “Take your dirty hands off me, you’re a Muslim.”

After a night in police cells Augustus was bailed to return to Marylebone Police Station in June, but when her solicitor didn’t show, she launched into another tirade, it was said.

She called the two officers morons, referred to one as ‘WPC Muslim Walker’, and shouted in the public waiting area “This is a Muslim country full of terrorists,” the court heard.

WPC Pemberton said Augustus became increasingly ‘agitated and abusive’.

She said: "I asked her to be quiet and she shouted ‘Go back to Iraq’ and was pointing at WPC Walker. She said it very aggressively.

“Then she looked at me and said ‘You should go with her and both of you will get your heads chopped off’.”

WPC Walker said: “She said to me ‘you should go back to Iraq where you belong, where all the terrorists are. You are likely to be beheaded. You deserve it’.”

When she was arrested again she ranted at officers “You’re all morons, especially that Muslim - she’s a chimpanzee and she needs to go back to the zoo with the other chimpanzees,” WPC Pemberton said.

Augustus, who represented herself after sacking her lawyer early in the proceedings, was frequently told to be quiet as she heckled the witnesses.

While giving evidence, she insisted on wearing a large placard with a picture of Jesus on it round her neck.

She claimed she had in fact suggested to the officers that they should stop wasting time on her and instead go out and catch paedophiles and rapists, or go out to Iraq to help our troops fight terrorists.

Augustus accused police of “religious bigotry and hatred” and claimed she was handled roughly, locked in a cell when she was ill, and strip-searched in the street.

She said: “I was responding to extreme provocation. The police were abusing me and were acting in a most satanic, brutal and unprofessional manner. I felt entitled to call them chimpanzees because that is how they were behaving.”

The reference to beheading she said was in reference to the catholic missionary Margaret Hassan, who was kidnapped and murdered by insurgents.

Augustus, of Kensington, was found guilty of two charges of religiously aggravated harassment.

District Judge Emma Arbuthnot told her: "I have no doubt at all that Sister Augustus’s behaviour amounted to religiously aggravated harassment.

"This was extremely upsetting and rude behaviour which harassed and alarmed not just the officers but others who were around at the time.

“It is clear from her behaviour today that she was an extremely difficult defendant to deal with. The officers I’m sure dealt with her as best they could and cannot be criticised.”

She was fined a total of £200 plus £40 court costs. The judge told the pensioner: “By rights you should pay compensation but I’m not going to make you as you are not in a position to pay any more.”

Augustus replied: “It’s a disgrace. If this is British justice, I’m going back to Africa. They are more civilised there.” She vowed to appeal against her conviction in the highest court

Comment:

Christianity is portrayed in the media as a peace loving religion while Islam is shown as a violent and bloodthirsty religion. Muslims are violent and Christians are polite and calm.

The reality is different. The Crusades were launched by the clergy and Kings and resulted in killing of civilians, rape and plunder. Many extreme organisations like the Ku Klux Klan claim justifications based upon the bible. Christianity has a very clourful past indeed.

Do we get to read , hear and see all this in the media? Of course we dont, because Islam and Muslims take up all the front page and headlines.

Quite funny how this nun thinks, totally the opposite to Jesus ( Isa ) peace be upon him, instead of attacking and arguing with Secularists who allow Jusus to be insulted and abused in the name of fredom of expression,she picks a fight with Muslims who have nothing but love and respect for Isa peace be upon him and his family.

Re: A nun convicted of religious harassment after ranting against 'terrorist' Muslims

^ Alhamdolillah...justice exists...albeit on a small scale.

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Does justice exist in our 'Muslim' countries?

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We should learn from this, and apply to it Pakistan.

While a nun was charged for harrassing muslims, can you expect such a response in pakistan if an imam curses at jews?

Infact, while this lady was jailed for her rhetoric in london, similar propaganda against christians and jews draws huge crowds in pakistan.

Id like to see muslims jailed in pakistan for spreading hatred aswell.

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menopause :D

seriously...from what i see...aren't nuns garbed in long dresses as well? And why did she have to say that especially to those women. Good thing they answered back.

Just goes to show you how hypocritical people can be.

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LOL, i’m just gona wait to find out who is gonna call you infidel or kaffir first. :cb:

BTW excellent post. :k:

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HAHAHHAHAHAHA.

I love nutty old people they say the darnest things.

One day I was standing in line at a CVS and there was this cranky old lady. She didn't like something the cashier did; before leaving the store, she turns to the cashier and screams 'you idiot this and that to me and you are a ni**er!'

There was a hush in the store like someone sucked all the oxygen out. Phew!

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:k:

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I’d like you, Mr. hskhan, to write one incident in which you, personally witnessed, heard or read any Muslim declare that all Jews or Christians should have their heads cut off…And if you did, I’d like to where, when and who said that?

On the streets if you ask any ordinary citizen in the US, what should be done about Iraq, the answer would be simple: Nuke 'em…This is a documented and videotaped fact…

Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity e.t.c. are very vocal about nuking other nations they deem as a threat, yet here, you claim that Muslims should be put in jail for spreading ‘hatred’?

Granted that many Muslims harbour conspiracy theories about Jews and the west as a whole, however that does not consitute hate…Just a sense of paranoia perhaps, but that hardly consitutes a crime…

While the USA is waging a war on two fronts in which millions have died based simply on conspiracy theories…In Afghanistan, the theory that OBL is behind 911 and in Iraq the theory that Saddam might strike USA, you veer away from the topic at hand and start lambasting Muslims…

In Muslim countries, no one harrasses non-Muslims…No one makes distinctions against Christians in Muslim countries because Christians killed thousands in Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan e.t.c.

So how come a flight from Pakistan gets extra screening coming from Manchester to NY as opposed to a flight coming from, say, France? Isn’t that harrasment?

Heart of the matter is that the American media is ass and you guys have your heads in it way up to your ankles…

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very well said...one nun got convicted for her stupidity and these people think thats the high-point of justice in these countries.well how come that BNP or something was not charged even with all that proof and videos and documentations? what are they waiting for? a real murder / mass killings b4 arresting n convicting them? how come they are always SOOO QUICK in arresting n charging so called suspected terrorists while LOUD MOUTH BNP n its leaders are free to say n spreak hatred against the muslims...where is your so called JUSTICE now?

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Sorry bro, I was in Rawalpindi with two of my friends; one of them is christian air force pilot. We were sitting in a road side dhaba for tea. This christian friend of mine has a christian name while we were talking this dhaba owner heard the name and refused to serve the tea, would you really believe this guy had a choice to go to police station and file a case against the dhaba owner. That was the reason after two days the dhaba was in real bad shape when the rest the air force wingboys (all muslims) heard about the story.

So yes on individual level we stand for our non muslim friends and collegues but in legal matters where the publicity is involved; NO.

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That was a dhaba owner, someone who is not very educated…However, for a nation to occasionally harass Muslims on the basis of their names or appearance or be taken off airplanes for speaking a different language by people who are supposedly civilized and informed speaks volumes…

And as for being on a personal level is concerned, let’s not even go into that…

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Muslim countries can deny the freedom to worship freely. Determine the religion of its people. Indoctrinate hatred in religious schools. Either outlaw or by societal pressures make conversion from Islam near impossible. Have laws to make their culture and practices the only legal course.

Non-Muslims are denied the right to sell and purchase scriptures. Denied equal voting and participation rights. Are greatly discriminated against in employment by both govt and private sectors. Live with intolerance and discrimination. The are victims of bombs and mob attackes.

This whole "In Muslim countries, no one harrasses non-Muslims" is bs. Making excuses for the 'uneducated' basically excuses the behavior at least 1/2 of the population. It doesn't even address the systematic discrimination within govt and societies.

Intolerance and bigots exist in all societies, but trying to stake the moral high ground on this issue is laughable.

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:rotfl: @ the nun sacking her lawyer and representing herself!

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Your views are the result of massive indoctrination by the media…Unless you walk the walk, your views are BS…When was the last time you went to a Muslim country and experienced anything like it except what’s shown on TV? But for you, it seems that such knowledge is sufficient…

Where did get those gems of a information? Fox or CNN?

Perhaps we should start treating non-Muslims as Muslims are treated in USA, right? Take them off planes for wearing crosses, throw them in jails on mere suspicion for months without due process or maybe deny them jobs and sideline their businesses? A tit for tat solution I guess?

Yes…But bigger danger lies in making assumptions based on heresay and ignorance…

Here’s a little insight as to what the media is doing to the masses…And you are its willing victim…

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=239279

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Have you, as a muslim, any idea how a christian or a jew is treated? Conduct a social experiment for me, write "Im a Jew" and walk into Sadr Market. You wont make it out untouched. I have not once been treated indifferent when I make it clear I am muslim. If anything, people are interested to learn more. Thats the difference between me and you. Your narrow minded thought process has failed you. *You are doing a grave disservice to the people of pakistan if you take your fabricated realities seriously. They're a bunch of half baked lies that fail to convince the most gullible of us. *

This is not a media acccount. This is not american propaganda indoctrinating me against Pakistan. It's reality. Light Bearer gave you an example, but it for some reason failed to convince Pakistan is systematically and socially exclusive of non muslims - both nationals and foreigners.

Let me bore you with another first hand account. In 2005, when Pakistans foreign minister and Israel's foreign minister met, the MMA held a rally in downtown Lahore. It was not only bear witnessed the explicit hatred of all things jewish, but I had the awkward task of explaining to a jew (orthodox jew mind you) why he should wear a hoody or baseball cap to cover his skull cap. A week long study trip was a nightmare for him. Just to get a visa, and this is where the bureaucratic discrimination comes in, he had to make new Canadian passports that did not show he visits Israel. This is no paranoia, this is a hard and fast rule that suggested by the consulate general in Toronto. I got him a visa. Back in Pakistan, his group was told privately, and very frankly access to sites would be easier to get if a Jew was not in their midst. This was the account of a particular Dr. Mark Weisner, professor of social science. And get this - chair of Islamic Diaspora Conferences all across North America.

The next time you dare suggest Pakistan is anyway liberal in it acceptance of religion, tell the families of Shias why Sunnis massacred them. Tell the wives of Sunnis why Shias gunned them down. Tell Christians why Muslims had to bomb their church. Tell Jews why we freely allow bearded idiots to advocate their destruction.

You're living in a fantasy land, your rhetoric against mass media blinds you from first hand accounts. Light Bearer, Seminole, and I have not given you news reports. We have given you first hand accounts that you have trouble arguing with. We have given you social norms, religious doctrine, and state policies that are suffice to shut up any nay-sayer. Yet, you still have the courage to deny Pakistan's grave human rights abuses. The images might be repeated, and the commentaries might be exaggerated, but the stories are real.

Forget not, a patriot is not someone who stubbornly defends and lies about a country's short comings. What you have said finds support in the uneducated circles of Pakistan. The circles that perpetuate differences and push us further into an age of ignorance.** A patriot is someone who seeks progress for his country. Progress for its people, so they can stand proud in the midst of the world community and proudly say "I am proud to be Pakistani" without any ifs and buts. **

Dont go off on a tangent and talk about problems in america or canada. We know about them better than you because we live them. This topic is about Pakistan. Stick to it. If you want honest debate about Pakistan, bring it on - but for the sake of all of us, please dont bother replying if you're going to blindly defend a very real problem.

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If you're suggesting that's a trait strictly applied along race or creed...I'd say your dead wrong. It's a chronic problem across the board.

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My views are based on dozens of reports from human rights organizations. Not Fox, not CNN, not any American news organization.

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Perhaps we should start treating non-Muslims as Muslims are treated in USA, right? Take them off planes for wearing crosses, throw them in jails on mere suspicion for months without due process or maybe deny them jobs and sideline their businesses? A tit for tat solution I guess?
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Muslims are more free to practice their religion in US than in most Muslim countries. Ask a Pakistani ahmadi or shia that is used to institionalized discrimination in their home country. The instances that you refer to only represent a fraction of a fraction. Discrimination is actually written into the laws of most Muslim countries.

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Yes...But bigger danger lies in making assumptions based on heresay and ignorance...
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Yes they do. That's why I base my views on reports from several unbiased sources, including all majory human rights organizations.

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This is the second time you have posted an idiotic dare (first one was exhorting muslims to attend peace rallies and other baseless nonsense).

I suggest you read the USA Today story posted by Dushwari in the General forum. Attitudes towards Muslims have grown more negative since the eye-racky invasion started going nowhere.

Also, Chicago Public Radio did a story on being Muslim in America these days featuring an observant Muslim couple who lived in a suburb away from any Muslims. They were ostracized (sp?) out of their community and the Justice Dept had to intervene. At the end of the story, the journalist narrated a fact from the Justice Dept. 1 out of 5 or 20% of the employment discrimination cases in the US today involves discriminiation against Muslims.

Yes, yes, Muslims need to educate non-Muslims yada yada but the fact is this is what's happening and it's undeniable. So stop spreading lies.

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that nun sounds like an idiot of the highest degree, I guess serving as a nun for all those years did not teach her anything about jesus' teachings.

Oh well, she got a slap on the wrist. good.