Re: A Muslim Girl converting to Christianity ?
^^ there are also many Christians who are a worst for their own religion too. When anybody get worst in Christianity they say he or she is non religious.. :D
actually its just one case I know its not the number game but media is making it a big hype.
exactly and its none of your business or mine if that girl left Islam
Nice reply
there are few rotten eggs.. but dont worry a lot of Christians converting Muslims. =)
Why are you so obsessed with numbers? Did Islam succeed by "outbreeding" the Byzantines? Did Islamic Spain usher in a golden age by numbers alone?
You can't expect respect from the Muslim world when Muslims live in such disparity.
I don't feel that Islam is all about conquering the world or trying to make non-Muslims subservient to us.
Bit in blue I’m surprised no-one mentioned this before. I remember thinking it but forgot to mention. We can’t make someone believe something, they either do or they don’t. Also, totally agree there are too many ridiculous over-reactions, death threats etc. All the hysteria makes us Muslims look pathetic and insecure (remember the teddy bear incident). She became Christian and who knows maybe one day she’ll revert back to being a Muslim (tho not with talk like ‘I want to kill her’ being thrown about)..
Best not too stoop to the level of insults like those crazy ppl on Youtube, the girl seems a little immature and has already been caught out lying (telling investigators her dad had never seen her in cheerleader uniform when there was a photo of her dressed in it proudly displayed in the living room). Anyway, hopefully, as she gets older she’ll learn for herself. One last thing that struck me were her words about her parents killing her that went something like, ‘If they love God more than me they have to do this’, I mean it was worded as tho it was something she had read or been told about Islam rather than describing her parents threatening to kill her. Maybe I’ve read too much into it idk..
Btw I noticed at the end of the video there’s a pic of Sahar Daftary, the London model who died around Xmas time (her ex was suspected of pushing her off a balcony but this was not pursued due to lack of evidence), the events leading upto and possibly contributing to her death have been reported as being down to personal problems between herself and her ex (he apparently didn’t tell her he was already married, amongst other things) and has never been described as an honour killing by anyone so strange it’s been included in this video. There are other inconsistencies but I suppose most of the ppl who watch her videos are too stupid to question or research for themselves..
Let me pose this question: what happens if a Muslim in Pakistan converts to another religion? I know that it is illegal in Egypt, Malaysia, Afghanistan, Iran, and Saudi Arabia (it is illegal to be a member of any religion other than Islam in Saudi Arabia, never mind conversion...). What does Pakistani law say? If it is legal, what would be social reaction? Would, say, one lose his job for converting? Would he face the wrath of an angry mob? Thanks.
Many of the posts in this thread blame the media for hyping this in an effort to portray Muslims in a negative light. Did the US news media write the laws of Egypt and Saudi Arabia? Afghanistan, Iran? And on and on.** There is a fundamental problem of intolerance here.**
I don't think any reasonable person would disagree with you on this point. There is definitely a serious intolerance problem in the Muslim world. The justification for all these laws against apostasy is the supposed need to instill fear in the community so that no one would dare think about leaving Islam. Someone mentioned that Islam was not spread by numbers.. it was also not spread by fear. It seems like a display of insecurity in faith to think that we need to kill the apostates or make an example of them so that we can prevent other Muslims from having doubts about their faith. If we have faith in the strength of Islam, then there should be no need for such intolerant laws and intolerance in general.
Re: A Muslim Girl converting to Christianity ?
Faith is a personal matter and her conversion definitely does not effect the people living in the society or laws made for the society so we should leave the "faith" issue between Allah and Her as He is the best judge.
^ agree ..
i so dont understand why every pakistani, irani, afghani, saudi, egyptian, malaysian, etc has made it his personal job to keep a check on the muslimhood of the world ..
you gain something (a convert to islam) ... then its like wah wah, subhanAllah ... but if you lose something (coverting from islam) ... then everybody goes completely nuts ...
what is it? a basic islamic right to HAVE and not let anyone else have it?
at the end of the day .. it really doesnt effect the society except for the immediate family ... that too becuz of the social pressures and taunts!
but since we are on the topic of coversion ... my fiance is a covert TO islam .. and to make it clear, he is a muslim for his own benefit, and not so that we can be together ... my father, my mother, my siblings are all very happy about it ... but why is it such a huge issue for the rest of my family to see it as such a "haw hai" deal?
i have also heard about converts sometimes finding it difficult to adjust in their newfound society ... because they arent "pure-blooded" ... pathetic!
muslims can be retardedly arrogant at times ... i wish more of us ... like on this forum ... could be the majority ... would be way more peaceful ...
Re: A Muslim Girl converting to Christianity ?
arey i am so happy again one muslim less wow
yippee ya diye
we should celebrate it
there are almost 2 billion Muslims are come on
they are growing day by day
kaun un ko sambhaalay ga
Any new potential converts please make up your mind!!!
Re: A Muslim Girl converting to Christianity ?
Publicity Stunt thas all ..
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Lost in all the hype about conversions is this universal fact: only a tiny percentage of people change their religion.
It is not just in the religious realm but across the board a problem in countries like Pakistan that people’s actions and thoughts are forced to remain within certain parameters by social pressure or laws. This is one reason why Pakistan and other countries, such as Iran, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia which are even worse in this regard, are struggling. Prosperous countries are open societies. This is not a coincidence; openess is a key reason for their success. The US, which influenced the rest of the West and eastern nations such as Japan and South Korea, was founded by people who believed in the open discussion of ideas. The theory being, that while the people would make some mistakes, in the long run good ideas would eventually reign supreme in the marketplace of ideas. This is what allows a country like the US to change so rapidly. Look at Obama’s election. Even 30 years ago it would be unthinkable. 50 years ago Obama could not even eat a burger in Virginia or North Carolina; in 2008 he won those states.
Re: A Muslim Girl converting to Christianity ?
well thoes who say that its not every one's duty who had to take care of the other muslims very pity for them muslims are brotherhood so if anyone has done wrong it feels bad specially muslims.....!
what kind of muslims are here who says we don care....so sad
what ever the stories are no matter how much change every day and if they do again its very painful to hear that also.Yes we know there are so much happenings but still ................!
Re: A Muslim Girl converting to Christianity ?
Loonwatch.com - “The Mooslims, they’re heeere!” < you can check out rest of this rafiqa bari story
Re: A Muslim Girl converting to Christianity ?
For God's sake, don't ever post vids from botox queen Pamela Gellar. She is a raging fanatic.
Iran is a bit of an anomaly when it comes to your list. Iran is a bit more tolerant of religious minorities relatively speaking, compared to Pakistan. Yes yes I do know that Sunnis and Baha’is are persecuted heavily, but the Christians and Jews living there have no complaints. And Iran is much better educated than Pakistan is. Compare Pakistani molvis with Iranian mullahs and you will see that the latter is far more progressive than illiterate molvis from NWFP.
"Educate" is fine; imposition is not. She was obviously educated in Islam and chose another religion, just as many Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Sikhs, Shintos and so on do.
If you have ever talked to a convert almost always the first thing they say is they were not brought up in a religious home that means they were never educated about their religion hence they decided to venture on to find the "true" religion. The poster before was right that understanding & educating properly is the most important thing. She never once mentioned imposing anything.
Let me pose this question: what happens if a Muslim in Pakistan converts to another religion? I know that it is illegal in Egypt, Malaysia, Afghanistan, Iran, and Saudi Arabia (it is illegal to be a member of any religion other than Islam in Saudi Arabia, never mind conversion...). What does Pakistani law say? If it is legal, what would be social reaction? Would, say, one lose his job for converting? Would he face the wrath of an angry mob? Thanks.
No offence but do you even know what you are talking about? There are thousands of non Muslims that live in Saudi Arabia who freely practice their religion & have equal job opportunities same as Muslims do.
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No offence but do you even know what you are talking about? There are thousands of non Muslims that live in Saudi Arabia who freely practice their religion & have equal job opportunities same as Muslims do.
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What about Saudi Shi'as? They have it worse than Muslims in England do.
What about Saudi Shi'as? They have it worse than Muslims in England do.
I don't have first hand knowledge on Shia Muslims living in Saudi Arabia. But I do know that no place is perfect & what that guy mentioned was totally wrong. Heck not even all western countries are tolerant. We do have to keep in mind its only countries like America & Canada that give a lot of freedom when it comes to religion. Although I believe USA is the best country in terms of living & letting live when it comes to people living here. I still have seen intolerance to Muslims over here as well.
At the same time I have seen churches & temples in numerous Muslim countries & then I can mention places like India, Palestine or Kashmir where masjids have been destroyed.
We can't just label any religion or country good or bad based on what some uneducated lunatics decide to do.
If Islam was so intolerant to other religions then we wouldn't see cases where Prophet (peace be upon him) himself gave gifts to non Muslims or even tended to a non Muslim sick person.
A video of Rifqa from May..
‘…some logical fallacies that many in the right wing propaganda media have been perpetuating such as the one from loony blogger Pamela Geller who says that according to a secret “source” of hers, she knows that Fathima’s father has forced her to wear hijab. How does this jibe with the fact that her father also allowed her to be a cheerleader? Or the fact that there isn’t one picture of her on the internet when she is with family or not where she is wearing a hijab?’
‘This is how the rabid right operates. Disregarding evidence or common sense, they follow the story line that makes sense to them — be it that Democrats are overhauling health care to implement “death panels” or that an ethnically complicated liberal in the White House must be a Kenyan citizen at the heart of a Dan Brown–sized conspiracy.’
'Here’s where this kind of thinking (of lack thereof) can lead us:
The law-abiding Bary family is worried, reunion or no, it may have to return to Sri Lanka because of all the negative attention. So because of right-wing paranoia, a family may actually leave the U.S. because of religious persecution.’
Source: Fairfield County Weekly: Fathima Rifqa Bary Case Doesn’t Add Up The Loonwatch.com Digest
After reading the stuff about her wanting to be a prophet I’m actually starting to think she might need a therapist..
'This case gets stranger by the day as more and more is revealed about the facts surrounding what actually happened.
Fathima Rifqa Bary claimed under the arm of an Evangelical pastor that her father wanted to kill her; according to new reports, it is now clear that she also secretly fancied herself as a prophet a la Esther in the Bible. Now as kooky as this seems to most of us, in this country we have religious freedom as well as freedom of expression. Rifqa is welcome to join the long line of self-declared prophets that routinely pop up in this country, and we have a right to dismiss her as a brainwashed zealot. But when as a consequence of her new found zeal, she accuses, or is manipulated into accusing, another person of physically harming her and threatening her life then it becomes a matter of public concern and a matter for the realm of law and order. As has been pointed out before, in both of those realms, Rifqa’s claims have been not been found to hold water.’
Source: Fathima Rifqa Bary Update: Her Personal Writings Show She Wanted to be a Prophet | loonwatch.com
For God's sake, don't ever post vids from botox queen Pamela Gellar. She is a raging fanatic.
Sorry, I find her fascinating.. in a strange sort of way, like driving past a car crash and u can't help but look..
