A Most Beautiful hadith Among All The Beautiful Ahadith

[FrozenFire]

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very nice thanks !

[NeSCio]

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@Muslim_Queen

NO. You cant take it at face value nor add tons of your own details to it. What it means is if you happen to be facing an illness - it is haram to harm yourself in any manner - so assuming you got ill by natural means (whatever that means) - then dont pity yourself because of it. But rather “know” that when you are ill , ie suffering - Allah is forgiving you of your past sins.

MQ, rather a strange reply. let me analyse it and mention my concerns:

>>>You cant take it at face value nor add tons of your own details to it.<<<

okee, so one shud take the text as it is, and not add any external details, constraints…but subsequently you do the same: >>>>so assuming you got ill by natural means <<<< AND >>>>it is haram to harm yourself in any manner<<<< care to explain why you are allowed to assume something about the interpretation of this hadith and I am not?

with respect to the second part - you are not allowed to harm yourself in any manner- this would mean that every french fry u eat, every drop of coca cola you drink, every molecule of salt you ingest extra is actually harming yourself, cuz they all cause cardiovascular disease…wat about that? shud we now all start having astronautic meals? Cuz they are present and available if needed. Clearly, you will answer NO to these questions, and you will add that one also has to take into account practicality…well the same practicality applies to the ‘extremes’ i mentioned, because they aren’t extremes, suicide and mental illnesses are one the main causes of death and morbidity in middle aged people.

[gupguppy]

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^ yes, NeSCio, please start taking astronaut meals to save yourself... then go have that mental illness looked at that you mentioned in the last lines

let's not put the cart before the horse... we haven't even established whether the hadith is authentic according to the science of tradition... secondly, we can't be sure of the accuracy of the translation... certainly, i'd like to see how the line "What will save me from sins?" and the subsequent answer read in the original...

shall we do this first before NASA agent NeSCio sends everyone into orbit?

[Code_Red]

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@NeSCio

it is strange to read that hadith that are thought to be strict rules to follow are now suddenly restricted to general masses, which one can deduce rationally as well. One wud expect hadith to give rulings on those matters where ratio is unequivocal, e.g. on the extremes

In hadees we find rule,guidance and advice. The hadees in this thread as anyone can judge is ‘advice’ and ‘guidance’ from holy prophet.

so if i have a common cold, I am being forgiven for past sins. However, during such a common cold I feel myself as able to commit a sin than outside such episode.

I don’t get it ^

It is strange to see that all other questions in that row are about active things one can do to be good. E.g. good manners, seek forgiveness, be good etc etc. And for this one thing a passive stance is required

You have rightly pointed out. :k:
For illness, passive stance is required because in islam, active stance is completely prohibited, you may want the deduce passive stance from this question and answer but before jumping to any conclusion we need to know a very well known “Rule”

Causing harm to oneself, is completely forbidden in Islam

**This is forbidden, as God says: You shall not kill yourselves. (4:29) He also says: Do not expose yourselves to ruin. (2: 195) The Prophet (pbuh) said: "There shall be no inflicting of harm on oneself’. Similarly, it is not permissible to a Muslim to expose himself to the risk of illness or injury in any way or form. The Prophet (pbuh) said: "No believer may humiliate himself’. When he was asked how any person would humiliate himself, he said: “By exposing himself to risks with which he cannot cope”. A man runs the risk of illness or injury if he leaves himself exposed to their causes, or by not taking the necessary precautions to prevent them, or by not taking proper care of his health. Islam f has given us the necessary directives to steer away from all such risks, making it a duty of every Muslim: To be keen to do whatever is beneficial to his health, such as eating well, but not too much, and doing exercise to keep fit. **

And going inline with this there are number of Ahadees which talk about illness is from Allah and it reduces sins

*Volume 7, Book 70, Number 545: *

Narrated Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri and Abu Huraira:

**The Prophet said, “No fatigue, nor disease, nor sorrow, nor sadness, nor hurt, nor distress befalls a Muslim, even if it were the prick he receives from a thorn, but that Allah expiates some of his sins for that.” **

Volume 7, Book 70, Number 565:
Narrated 'Abdullah:

**I visited the Prophet during his illness and touched him while he was having a fever. I said to him, “You have a high fever; is it because you will get a double reward?” He said, “Yes. No Muslim is afflicted with any harm, but that his sins will be annulled as the leave of a tree fall down.” **

RE-DEATH

*Volume 7, Book 70, Number 575: *

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

**The Prophet said, "None of you should wish for death because of a calamity befalling him; but if he has to wish for death, he should say: "O Allah! Keep me alive as long as life is better for me, and let me die if death is better for me.’ " **

[gupguppy]

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^ good reply... but there's nothing in there about astronaut meals so it might just all go over NeSCio's head ;-)

[NeSCio]

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@Code_Red

In hadees we find rule,guidance and advice. The hadees in this thread as anyone can judge is ‘advice’ and ‘guidance’ from holy prophet.

and how hard is this to understand the bold part for those who are ready to strictly impose hadeeth on others no matter what:) ?

I don’t get it ^

I think I didn’t elaborate well enough in my post. Wat I wanted to say is that when Im suffering from a common cold, I don’t think that will stop me from commiting a sin. in other words, with respect to the potential of sinning, it’s the same as when you are healthy.

You have rightly pointed out. :k:
For illness, passive stance is required because in islam, active stance is completely prohibited, you may want the deduce passive stance from this question and answer but before jumping to any conclusion we need to know a very well known “Rule”

Causing harm to oneself, is completely forbidden in Islam

thanks for the informative link and the quotations :k: Here, I will also voice my concern as that I have done in reply to MQ. Perhaps, you can have a look at those too.

[Code_Red]

Health, illness and sin - to be merged in Rel

@NeSCio

I think I didn’t elaborate well enough in my post. Wat I wanted to say is that when Im suffering from a common cold, I don’t think that will stop me from commiting a sin. in other words, with respect to the potential of sinning, it’s the same as when you are healthy.

I dont know… May be its people like me never experiece such kind of “thouroghly refreshing” common cold …

Generally people, during illness only think about some kind of releif and not doing extracurricular ‘sin’

– less energy to talk so —>Less backbiting. less lie , l
—more pain —>less anger, more prayers

Don’t know, it looks logical to me, may be you have different experiece. May be your common cold is not so common in my area :rotato:

thanks for the informative link and the quotations :k: Here, I will also voice my concern as that I have done in reply to MQ. Perhaps, you can have a look at those too.

These concerns are thorougly answered in my last reply. And franklly the Islamic POV on topic (inflicting harm or illness ) is quite clear in view of Quranic and hadees ref.

[NeSCio]

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@Code_Red

I dont know… May be its people like me never experiece such kind of “thouroghly refreshing” common cold …

Generally people, during illness only think about some kind of releif and not doing extracurricular ‘sin’

– less energy to talk so —>Less backbiting. less lie , l
—more pain —>less anger, more prayers

Don’t know, it looks logical to me, may be you have different experiece. May be your common cold is not so common in my area :rotato:

Wat I want to make clear is that there is not a clear distinction between ‘health’ and ‘disease’. It’s a spectrum, wat is disease for one, is not disease for another…it also varies from culture to culture. Heck, it even varies from one person at point in time to another. So saying that you are not allowed to harm yourself in any way anytime, cannot be held for long, because that changes all the time.
That brings me to my second point, numerous things that we do and that seem normal to us are actually harmful to us in the long run. I gave examples of salt, fat etc…how does this statement of not harming yourself in any way deal with that? Such harm is preventable (another example I gave of astronautical food), so how come we keep on ingesting salt and fat and harming ourself, whereas we should actually adhere to that hadeeth and in order to not to harm ourselves we should be having astronautical food?

[Code_Red]

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I think at religious level it is clear, and the discussion is going into philosophical heights...

let us discuss it further in S&P :)

[gupguppy]

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huh!? were did all the posts go?

[NeSCio]

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^
our discussion has gone to S&P