A Look at Pakistani Students in US

Here’s a great description of Pakistani students.

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The inspiration for this article is an observation by someone regarding the large number of undergraduates in the US from Pakistan. This is one more manifestation of a poor country with rich people. What follows is a description of some of these undergraduates grouped by some common characteristics. Please note that I have limited myself to undergraduates only.

The graduates, post-docs and other “professional” students will be dealt with at some other time.

  1. Kids with parents settled in the gulf or Saudi Arabia: These kids form the largest contingent amongst the undergraduates of Pakistani origin. Generally more docile and amiable than their true-blooded homegrown cousins, they are one notch below the ABCDs (American Born Confused Desis) in terms of being confused. They rarely have strong opinions on any subject and they are able to adapt themselves to their surroundings very quickly. Most of them go to middle-tier schools with solid engineering programmes that allow them to find jobs after graduation very quickly. Some of them opt to go back to their adopted homelands.

Many get married to ABCDs since they have a vast connection of cousins and aunts spread all over the two coasts. While in school they are not really interested in getting to know the opposite sex (it’s a mystery why) and therefore are able to graduate in time. Don’t expect them to be stimulating conversationalists or intellectually too gifted. They do make very good friends though.

  1. Kids with parents in the middle-ranking bureaucratic or political cadres: In 9 out of 10 cases the parents are corrupt and therefore able to afford the twenty-five grand or so every year that little Johnny needs in order to get the label of “foreign qualified”. These kids usually end up in one of the many state colleges in America’s northeast, Midwest or west coast mainly because an aunt or uncle lives nearby. This breed is frequently very nationalistic with flags of Pakistan and giant pictures of Imran Khan pasted next to Van Halen on their bedroom walls. They are always in search of that elusive double or triple major that would land them in the big leagues at the graduate level.

By the time they realize that a double major in economics and math and minors in philosophy and history from Chico State equals a diploma in wine-tasting from Harvard, it’s already too late. They frequently return to Pakistan where Papa sets them up with a packaging plant in Kot Lakhpat and mama takes care of their bursting libido with an 18-year old from an equally corrupt family. The source of their angst lies in their general inability to become too friendly with members of the opposite sex. To achieve this glorious end they first try and become very active in the local chapter of the Pakistan Students Association. Disappointed (rebuffed?) they move on to the Indian Student Association. Everyone knows them but alas no one wants to be friends with them. They deal with their frustration by becoming the most ardent and religious Pakistanis. Books by Wolpert or Ali Shariati are strewn all over the floor in their apartments (along with cases of empty cans of Budweiser from last night). This class of kids should be avoided at all costs.

  1. Kids with parents in the high-ranking bureaucratic or military cadres: These kids are the most rabid Pakistanis you will find anywhere. Beneficiaries of the state largesse at the grandest scale, they have every reason to uphold the decaying heap of trash that their parents have helped create. Some of them do make it to the elite schools while others toil in little college towns of the American Midwest.

This is the class that can afford to let their kids buy Ferraris that they park outside their dorms at BU (Boston University) or Florida State. Some of them do excel in their chosen field of study and are then picked up by the corporate mandarins of Citibank or ABN Amro and then placed back home to use papa’s connections. Life is literally a breeze for these children of privilege. They have several friends from the opposite sex and from varied backgrounds. They end up marrying within the clan though. Sometimes they don’t go back home for years making their way up the corporate ladder.

  1. Kids with feudal, industrial or political backgrounds: The bright ones are almost always at the Ivy leagues while the rest party away at the University of Miami. Generally low-key they know that the destiny of the country lies in their hands and they prepare accordingly taking courses like “Horse breeding for beginners” or “Bloody revolutions: A Faustian analysis” in their sophomore year.

While their more plebeian classmates toil away doing summer internships at McKinsey or Goldman Sachs, they are busy learning the nuances of Shakespearean dialogue in the leafy confines of Princeton or Ann Arbor. They are beginning to demand their pound of flesh earlier and earlier. The progeny of one of the biggest feudal families master-minded a power-generation scam with the aid of a World Bank bigwig while still a junior at Harvard. Another, known for his good looks, served for quite some time as a minister in the federal cabinet.

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5) Kids from the impoverished aristocracy: This is a very interesting group because in most cases they are extremely bright but deeply melancholic. Pakistani in name only, the job of improving the family finances has been placed squarely on their inadequate shoulders. Englishmen with brown skins (or pale-white skins since grandpa married grandma Rosy while at Cambridge) they have to finish their pre-law or Economics degree with flying colours in order to enter the exalted halls of Lincoln's Inn or Merton College, Oxford. They are like the sacrificial lambs who'll be married off into one of the nouveau rich families of Chiniotis or Arains in order to revive the family fortunes. One sometimes feels sorry for these guys because of the quixotic expectations of their families and their strange acquiescence to their demands.

6) Kids from middle-class backgrounds: These come in various varieties. The usual variety does his FSc/Bsc from some college back home, takes one semester's worth of money from his parents, forges letters detailing the family finances in order to get a US visa and ends up in New Mexico state. These kids are very enterprising. The deliver pizza everyday, staff the college library and take 20 credit hours every semester. Some of them burn out and take a year or two off working full time at Red Lobster. Others are always in the process of transferring from one school and one major to the other.

It usually takes them 6-7 years to finish school. They are generally easy-going and predictable. They have a large circle of friends of various ethnicities and they are more than likely than any other group to marry non-Pakistanis. In most cases they are not that ambitious and are therefore resigned to a life of middle-class existence. The shining stars of this group come from schools like Aitchison and Karachi Grammar school.

Different from most of the population in these elite institutions, they are the ones you hear about getting perfect scores on their SATs. They are the ones you will find arguing about Sartre's dilemma or Camus's unfinished novel in the local coffee-house till 2 in the morning right before the exam on Differential Equations and Shannon's theorem. No surprise that the only perfect score on that exam happens to be theirs. They frequently grow shoulder length hair and sport goatees as a mark of individuality (or neurosis). The adventurous ones have been known to get tattoos or piercings in unmentionable places.

They have an affinity with their Indian counterparts in that they are generally allergic to taking showers. Despite all these maddening attributes (at least to more normal folks) they invariably have beautiful women as girlfriends. Mostly blonde, soft-spoken English majors from places like Greenwich or Bloomfield Hills, they dote on their exotic boyfriends like manna from heaven. These associations don't last for too long since mama suddenly appears on the scene with pictures of the most nubile ladies from Kinnaird or St. Joseph to set our budding Einstein straight. The surprising thing though is that these kids seldom fulfill their promise in the real world. Instead of founding companies or going back home to set up sweatshops like Wipro or Satyam they toil away in relative obscurity at Cisco, Hewlett Packard or Merrill Lynch. Maybe given a little more time things will change.

7) Women undergrads from Pakistan: They are for lack of a better word an entertaining species with various sub-species. There is your bohemian brat from Lahore Grammar school to your catty all-black attired Madonna from Convent of Jesus and Mary. Their most enduring trait is their abhorrence of Pakistani men (somewhat understandable). If good looking, they'll have a pack of admirers of various nationalities hanging on to every pearl of wisdom that emanates from their exquisite lips. If ugly, same thing except that the attitude is twice as revolting.

This species is usually found in the liberal art colleges of the northeast and the Midwest - colleges that have decided in their infinite wisdom that they can change Islamic Republic of Pakistan by giving generous scholarships to the downtrodden women of that crazy country. A horde of these women have returned to Pakistan having figured out that their lives are not meant to be slaved away in some corporate behemoth in the US of A. They are meant to be pampered by the servants and knights in shining armour (substitute rich) of good ole' Pakland. NGOs and various English publications are the most common haunts of this species.

This is a lengthy subject and instead of incriminating myself unduly I shall cease and desist from elaborating the viles of this cunning creature any further. My advice usually falls on deaf ears anyway.

8) ABCD (American Born Confused Desi) kids: :D This group confused as it is has achieved some remarkable things. They'd probably be even better off if they went back to Pakistan and saw the romantic notions they have of a fairy land destroyed by their own experiences. It's extremely rare to find an atypical specimen of this variety. This homogeneity is a testament to the diabolical child-rearing skills of the Pakistani expatriates.

no doubt written by a guy.

That's my dose of BS for today.......

Kyon, you didn’t like it? :hoonh:

That was really funny, who wrote that-link plz?

First look at the positive side of this article - seems truly and genuin article. Then look at negative & seems like the guy is only critisizing no matter what type of PK students he is talking about.

Not entirely true... You forgot to add one class onto that PT...

I am a student here in the US from a middle class family, and my dad (a govt. employee in pak) saved a lot of money for my education, but it was still not enough that I can pay for four straight years, so I took two years in Pakistan's tech college NUST. I worked hard there, got good grades, and transferred here to the US, and after two semesters, I am standing at a GPA of 4.0, and thank goodness I have not plauged myself in drinking, girls, gambling etc. I have also observed most of the Pakistani stduents here have a similar attitude. We work on campus, for the 20 hours per week we are allowed to and do not work in red lobsters or pizza parlours like your article says we do.

So why does your article fail to classify us? Was it written primarily to criticize those who head out to the US for education?

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Not entirely true... You forgot to add one class onto that PT...

I am a student here in the US from a middle class family, and my dad (a govt. employee in pak) saved a lot of money for my education, but it was still not enough that I can pay for four straight years, so I took two years in Pakistan's tech college NUST. I worked hard there, got good grades, and transferred here to the US, and after two semesters, I am standing at a GPA of 4.0, and thank goodness I have not plauged myself in drinking, girls, gambling etc. I have also observed most of the Pakistani stduents here have a similar attitude. We work on campus, for the 20 hours per week we are allowed to and do not work in red lobsters or pizza parlours like your article says we do.

*So why does your article fail to classify us? Was it written primarily to criticize those who head out to the US for education? *
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Oh Mere Bhai, the article is not written by me. In fact, it wasn't me who opened the thread.

Your story is almost just like mine though :) except GPA, Father's job and work on campus :p

:hehe: True to dat

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Your story is almost just like mine though :) except GPA, Father's job and work on campus :p
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umm so how exactly is it like his???

Takes one to know one.

:rolleyes: yea how nice?

Beyond rhetoric this classification says nothing at all. Besides belonging to the group (Minus the ‘C’ Mind you) I find that this Fresh Off the Boat monkey boy author has major chips on his shoulder to literally insult everyone who is a student of Pakistani heritage.

It must be the type of company he keeps or his screwed up little bubble where he can get off saying there are classifications of students. How about ‘normal’ students who study, work, have a few friends are moderately religious and involved in university life? Do they not exist? I think not!

I seriously think that there are people in our communities who would rather put down their compatriots rather than talking about achievements. What a waste.

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umm so how exactly is it like his???
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Me and Spock, are both from Middle Class :)

i do not know if u people have come across with my feelings much..

i am originally from from Ahmedabad,Gujarat ,india and living in a south indian state.i am a frequent visitor to u.s and my parents and other relatives are living in a southern u.s state.being a student and engineer,i have been worked there for three years and many of my colleagues were pakis (mainly from karachi and western sindh).most of them were from middle class.what i have noticed with them ,is their crave for studies and their great affinity towards their traditional and family values.some of them refrain from almost all kinds of luxuary outings and spendings.a few of the want to go back to pakistan and settle there.but others ,on the other hand want to enjoy the luxuries and do not even want to go back to pakistan once.

those students who were born in to the hands of prosperity and affluency do not care whats pakistan and its people.(this is my personal opinion only),and what i have noticed with them is, they are not much deep in their religious duties and keep good feelings towards indians (especially girls).i know many such guys who date with indian gals and women.gals of this class ,some are quite modern and some are really genius and are quite keen on pakistan.

                     i have also met a few kashmiris who have roots in lahore and some other pak punjabi towns.they expressed their wishes to stay on in u.s as that would better deal them.i think many of them are quite pessimists on the future of kashmir and have only blurred pictures of kashmir to present and dream ..i have not met any paki guy or gal of any business magnate or industial enterpreneur.when i was doing my masters in u.s,i had a girl friend who happened to be from pakistan but having roots in both u.s and pakistan and she was staying alone from her parents and other relatives.i think this also represents a social-picture of u.s pakis thoughts .

Rajput good response.

However, I think this piece was written in jest, as comic relief which of course is lopsided and focusing on parts that one can poke fun at. Amateurish, but an okay piece, if you dont take it seriously it does put a smile on your face because we all have met characters who fit these categories.

It does not cover many other categories, but covering those would be tough because poking fun at them would be tough. Even in comedy that would take pure genius.

if the author's goal was to do some thought provoking piece and the author was serious, than he should be beaten in front of nagan chorangi with used peshwari sandals by bus and rickshaw drivers on a daily basis from noon to 1 p.m. during the week.

:hehe: thats what I call funny.

I think that if thats the author’s attempt at humor he throughly failed..

Maybe, author is a ABCD :rotfl:

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"ABCD (American Born Confused Desi) kids: This group confused as it is has achieved some remarkable things. They'd probably be even better off if they went back to Pakistan and saw the romantic notions they have of a fairy land destroyed by their own experiences. It's extremely rare to find an atypical specimen of this variety. This homogeneity is a testament to the diabolical child-rearing skills of the Pakistani expatriates"
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I am American born, and a helluva a lot less confused then the international students, i can tell you that from first-hand experience. Of course they are not all wild, but so many of them try ridiculously hard to be seen as "cool" etc. I think american born desis know a lot more then ppl give them credit for, and are MUCH more well behaved. Confused my butt.

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