Why do you guys have to Insult the Islam and Muslims?
Can any Non-Muslims or Muslim answer my this question?
[This message has been edited by msaqibj (edited June 08, 1999).]
saqib...
What if they were to pose the same question to you about their respective faith(s)? How would you answer?
I think many of the active participants have been taking these posts/messages too personaly, and hence, "I will take attack yours, and you will take mine" mentality is prevailing...
If some NON-Muslim posed the same question towards me (personally towards me), that would not be a good question at all because look into my all posts and find me a single post where I had insulted any personality of any other religion.
That is why I posted this question because I do respect the leaders of other community regardless of my difference with them.
Dear Msaqibj,
There should be no reason for anyone to insult Islam and Muslims. Disagreements on certain points should not be taken as an insult. It should be taken as an opposing points of view. I agree that sometimes in a heated debate some participants may say things that are hurtful, but they should not be judged upon just that "spur of the moment" action/comments.
Sometimes, what you may view as an insult may be viewed by others as a compliment. For example when you refer to me or someone as a Hindu Lover. I am not sure what you mean by that but I take that as a compliment.
Finally, nobody's perfect (including your highness).
First off all why do we have to talk about religion...as i mentioned earlier religion is like a tree with lots of roots,but reporting to one solid oak,religion is also like it,everyone reports to one god,everyone will die and will go to one God,everyone will have to answer his deed to god ,,,so why do we spoil this friendly atmosphere by talking and cursing each other religion.....have faith on yourself and god and enjoy life and be friends to all....
dil..dilseee
let us be like this....follow this footstep
Khudi ko kar buland itna,
ki har TAQDEER se pehley,
Khuda khud bandey ko poochey,
Bataa, "Teri raza kya hain?"
dil..dilseee
dil..dilseee
[This message has been edited by dilse (edited June 08, 1999).]
Insulting a person is not as insulting the the loved ones.
I do get into the personal fights and I do insult THAT PERSON directly. Because I know that person has done or would do the same to me. I do not care if some one is Insulting personally "msaqibj". Because I care my own and I know if some one threw a stone towards me, I would throw the whole rock on him. That is why I do not mind if some one insult "msaqibj" and I would not care if I insult some ordinary member for making insulting remarks about me. But insulting the personalities of other religion is not my way and have not done it and would not do it.
Msaqib..you missed READ MY LIPS...just kidding bahyia..
dil...dilseee
Dear MSaqibJ:
Why don't you ask the same question to Muslims who have been insulting Ahmedis? HaiN? Need I repost the stuff you guys have been writing about mirza ghulam ahmed? Now don't get me wrong. I don't really care what you say about him. He might have been a very bad man. And I happen to believe that any man who has claimed prophethood, messiah-hood or any special link to divinity is a charlatan. Just so you know where I am coming from. So...feel free to post more stuff about Mirza Ghulam...but dont' complain when the edifice of your faith is shattered by someone else. okay?
Dear Dilse:
The she'r you just quoted? did you read at some bhains ka baaRa in sahiwal?
Rgds
MNI
LOL Dilse, that is not the point. It is Okay to tell your beliefs to the others and it is quite Okay to invite the others towards your religions and it is also quite right to debate for your religion.
Look in the history, people did fight for their beliefs but they still did not insult the loved ones. This has been particular with the NON-Muslims for a while that they attack on the Prophet Muhammad (SAW). Look at that girl in the Israel who insulted the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and was given protection by the Israeli government. Look at the Christian who used the insulted remarks about Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and now is enjoying his rest life in a great protection of Government of Germany.
Can you show me a single Muslim who ever used the insulting words for Mosas or Jesus, then why these christains and jews have to use the Insulting remarks about Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
Look in the Pakistan, whoever christain does not get a chance to go into the europe or America, he/she gets out of his/her home and start insulting Islam and Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and that person becomes the hero of all other people in the world and that person gets travell documents in a night and nest days this plerson would be either in norwey or America. And there would be no less number of people who would call him/her their HERO.
Look in my all posts, I do fight directly but never used any insulting remarks for the loved ones of other communities.
Eventhough the same person had done this before and he used the same kind of insulting words about our beloved Prophet Muhammad (SAW). Still I protested against HIM, only and directly against HIM, neither against his religion nor against Mirza Ghulam Ahmed sahib.
Dear MNI:
regardless of your openions about the religion and your beliefs, Yes I have asked the same question long time ago. I was searching to find that post but I could not otherwise that would have been the good to show that yes I do tell my Muslim brothers time to time that please refrain from making insulting remarks about the personalities of other religions.
I do tell my muslims brothers/sisters that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) has forbidden us for making insulting remarks about even the Idols of the Mushriks and Kafirs.
msagibj,
The very reason why muslims do not criticize Islam or leave Islam is because of the heresy & apostasy laws ! Do you agree ?
If your aquida & iman is strong & true then why the need to suppress & control fellow muslims? Can you rationally answer ?
And, please do not claim to be a saint, you have taken a leadership position in trashing non-sunnis & non-muslims, kapish!
Adbulmalick:
I thought you might have some values when you accuse some one else but you are one of those who only can spill the trash out.
When did I say I am a saint and when did I talk about suni and non suni muslims?
Muslims do not leave the Islam because they do not find any other religion as complete as Islam is.
When did we (Muslims) try to control the lives of the other muslims.
If a liberal finatic (The actual extremist behind the outfit of a liberal)like you can spread his beliefs to make his westerns masters happy then why it is not right for us Muslims to spread and defend our beliefs?
My questions was that
if muslims do not use any insulting remarks about Mosas and Jesus then why jews/christians use the insulting remarks about Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
If any one can answer this question?
[This message has been edited by msaqibj (edited June 08, 1999).]
Look at that girl in the Israel who insulted the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and was given protection by the Israeli government. Look at
the Christian who used the insulted remarks about Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and now is enjoying his rest life in a great protection of Government of Germany. Can you show me a single Muslim who ever used the insulting words for Mosas or Jesus, then why these christains and jews have to use the Insulting remarks about Prophet Muhammad (SAW). Look in the Pakistan, whoever christain does not get a chance to go into the europe or America, he/she gets out
of his/her home and start insulting Islam and Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and that person becomes the hero of all other people in the world and that person gets travell documents in a night and nest days this plerson would be either in norwey or America. And there would be no less number of people who would call him/her their HERO.
msauibj
You have 4 posts since my post asking you to agree or not whether Islam's heresy & apostasy laws are a deterrent for muslims to criticize and/or leave the faith ? could you pls NOT ramble and concentrate on what I am asking?
Why is is that Islam can force one to convert but other religions cannot convert a muslim? Can you again be rational and answer?
Muslims that leave or are leaving Islam are ususlly the educated ones who find 'your' aquida disgusting !
Adbulmalick:
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Muslims that leave or are leaving Islam are ususlly the educated ones who find 'your' aquida disgusting !
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Did I tell you before that it is better for you to keep cutting and posting.
Your mostly posts are cut and paste and when ever you had to write a word from your own brain, the only words come out of your mind are the similar to the above I quoted.
You did not even take a moment to write the answers to my questions I wrote in my first post.
Here are those questions again. Try to answer them if your brain can think of the answer or go into web and try to find some material to cut and paste.
If muslims do not use any insulting remarks about Mosas and Jesus then why jews/christians use the
insulting remarks about Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
Look at that girl in the Israel who insulted the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and was given protection by the Israeli government. Look at
the Christian who used the insulted remarks about Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and now is enjoying his rest life in a great protection of Government of Germany. Can you show me a single Muslim who ever used the insulting words for Mosas or Jesus, then why these christains and jews have to use the Insulting remarks about Prophet Muhammad (SAW). Look in the Pakistan, whoever christain does not get a chance to go into the europe or
America, he/she gets out of his/her home and start insulting Islam and Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and that person becomes the hero of all
other people in the world and that person gets travell documents in a night and nest days this plerson would be either in norwey or America. And there would be no less number of people who would call him/her their HERO.
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