A good man who did a wrong deed / Kasi executed / Most courageous guy (Merged)

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*Originally posted by ak47: *
**duck the point y not **

Your tangent was not the point, the point was that a murderer got his punishment.

**CIA never commit murder and terrorism do they boy **

lets say they do, do 2 wrongs make a right? cuz by that token anyone can go kill anyone in any government, military or intelligence service at any time, in any manner.

Guess people who murdered hassan, Husein, and osman etc had a point then right. maybe we should start calling them shaheed too..

**living in Bushland has really brainwashed you ! **

Because I dont consider murderers as shaheed? as far as brainwashing goes, what did HT do to you, light load? cold water, extra spin cycle with some heavy bleach? :slight_smile:

**How sad :snooty: **

Very sad that some of us consider a cold blooded murderer a shaheed.

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A Tribute To The Most Courageous Guy In Pak....

Mr Aimal Kasi..."inna lila he wa ulahe rajaoon"

well Mr kasi was a criminal in the eyes of american law but actually he wasnt......Starting of from CIA ...well they have been the main source of terrorism in many countries ...starting from palastine to afghanistan , Can u believe it Galaxy C130(aircraft) used to land in islamabad airpost when isloo airport was not even able to take the weight of such heavy aircrafts this is during the cold war.......American govenament paid RS 1 billion to do islamabad airport so that they can re do for future aircraft landings.

Many of my acquaintences who were prompted by US spies have fought a war for afghanistan and when the time came US backed out as a fly from milk (Urdu expression)

Aimal Kasi was indeed a great man .....he fought a war against the real perpatrators ...who have plondered our countries like dirt and then gone back to there families (drinking beer and having starbuks)...thinking of us as ****.

Khuda Kasi sahab ko janat nasseeb karainna lillahe wa ulahe ra jaooon.....he has embraced martydom with great honour .....

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nearly the whole of balochistan province turned out for his funeral....3 days strike is also observed....

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I agree.

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can u believe it till the last momment they kept on asking him ...(I mean his relatives) that who turned him to the american authorities ...and he dint say a word ........what a great person...

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no more blood shed ...was his message.......

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may allah grant him a place in heaven.

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Three cheers for the most courageous man in Pak. Now set them up Joe, and let the booze flow!

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Three cheers for the most courageous man in Pak. Now set them up Joe, and let the booze flow!
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if booze wouldnt have flowed u would not have been born...sharaab ki paidawaar.....

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I dont understand why people praise terrorists in our country! wat a shame :hoonh:

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Re: A Tribute To The Most Courageous Guy In Pak....

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*Originally posted by Poodenay_Ki_Chutney: *
Galaxy C130(aircraft)
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Thats C5 Galaxy

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*Originally posted by RajputFury: *
Couple of points I want to mention:

  • Kasi was a Pakistani citizen who was executed in the US. Does Pakistan have the guts to do the same had the situation had been reversed with a US citizen being executed in Pakistan.

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yeah.....I guess US would try a lot to help that US citizen.

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some ppl rather, turn a blind eye on the terrorist state of America yet offend the shaheed.

so I will give you evidence from islam,, so that you may take heed, and stop insulting Allah' command in this month at least...

i hate political arguments becuase of this reason,, so at most you should look at what the quran tell you without interpretation (cos the following ayah is explicit) for at least this month and then make final decision afterward..

Inal humk mu illah lilAllah oolaa'ika hum ul fasiqoon
those who do not rule by Allah, they are fasiqoon (who cause fitna)

Inal humk mu illah lilAllah oolaa'ika hum ul kafiroon
those who do not rule by Allah, they are DISBELIEVERS

Inal humk mu illah lilAllah oolaa'ika hum ul zalimoon
those who do not rule by Allah, they are OPPRESSORS

now what has amil Kansi done???

is there one who rules by what Allah had revealed to protect his rights? his family?? his izzat??

ofcourse not,, so he took matters on his own hands..

if people believe he did wrong,, then it is not he himself punished, but the whole ummah is responsible for not working to implement a system to protect rights of its own people... remember the famine in madina in time of caliph Umar (ra).. he cought ppl stealing, but he didn't cut of the hand, because, the caliph did not provide food for the theifs to stop stealing. So instead he was busy with ensuring food from Egypt/Africa gets to Madinah..

so those who believe he did wrong, they should be working doubly hard to ensure rights of muslims are protected through establishment of Allahs' rule to ensure this does not happen again.

At worst case scenario, if there was an Islamic government, it may follow Umar (ra)'s wisdom and improsen him, but it would never give him the punishment of death. Instead, it would ask for the CIA agents to be handed over responsible for his fathers killing, and hang the real enemy, to make sure Kansi does not commit his mistake again. But now if America dealt this blow to Kansi, the Islamic government has no choice, but to declare that government an enemy and start to withdraw its embassodors and trade links until a time comes when that government is totally destroyed by jihad.

If the Pakistani government was an Islamic one,,, nay if it was any kind of respectable government, even if it was kufr but respectable and powerrful government that it claims to be,, It would not have allowed the killing of Aimal Kansi.

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Americanchamchaa sab CIA are terrorists who inflict murder and terror all over the world there no say about its 100% defeinte they do it so dont beat around the bush.

Kasi was justified in killing known terrororists and as for dying shaheed allah knows best you don;t so don’t go around saying who is in paradise and who is not. u will find in my post that i did’nt call him shaheed not that a brainwashed defeated person would notice.

Boy u got some big chip on your shoulder about HT i think every post that you have done include some comment on them for a organistaion who as you say are nothing they seem have had effect on you because your talking about them in every post joker :hehe:

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Re: Re: A Tribute To The Most Courageous Guy In Pak....

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*Originally posted by who---me: *

Thats C5 Galaxy
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Yup my mistake ....C5 it is.

well I was trying to post quite quickly so missed on certain points and got the aircrafts name wrong too.

I would like to run through certain points that I missed earlier.

CIA is no angel . During the afghan war these C5 aircrafts were used to provide amunition(stingers/landmines) etc to the mujahideen. once USSR left afghanistan they were no longer interested and left the mujahideen and the ppl to there own devices.

secondly during iran iraq war it was again CIA who primed both countries with biological weapons. and etc etc.

we have been played with as pawns on a chess board.

Mr kasi did not target the innocent he targeted ppl who had no regard what so ever for human life.

Dont get me wrong I really like USA , the american "people" have worked with perseverence, honesty, to reach this pedestal in the world community. I have also not seen more open minded and freedom loving ppl then the american "people".

But there certain security agencies have plundered and ravaged 3rd world countries which doesnt make these agencies innocent.

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*Originally posted by ak47: *

**Americanchamchaa sab CIA are terrorists who inflict murder and terror all over the world there no say about its 100% defeinte they do it so dont beat around the bush. **

First of all, lets be civil if we are going to discuss something. agreed?
Now even if CIA is 100% murderers. everyone from a mailroom clerk to a computer support guy to the guy working in the cafeteria.. lets for arguments sake assume that they are all murderers.

Now, does that give any random person the right to go and kill someone else?

**Kasi was justified in killing known terrororists and as for dying shaheed allah knows best you don;t so don’t go around saying who is in paradise and who is not. u will find in my post that i did’nt call him shaheed not that a brainwashed defeated person would notice. **

Allah knows best indeed. as far as calling him shaheed, it was not you but asif who called him a shaheed. Maybe you did not notice..does teh brainwashed defeated person argument hold there as well?

**Boy u got some big chip on your shoulder about HT i think every post that you have done include some comment on them for a organistaion who as you say are nothing they seem have had effect on you because your talking about them in every post joker :hehe: **

Chip on my shoulder, no I am sorry if I did not make it clear HT sucks. yeah cuz HT is a bunch of loons who have nothing to show and big mouths, who cant work with any other organization and dont even have a proposed mechanism for electing their khalifah if we wake up tomorrow and all countries have united.

seems liek you have a chip on your shoulder with everythign western, shows in all your posts :slight_smile: wonder why you still use english :smiley:

anyways..can someone find some references about murder, or killing in revenge. I am reminded of Hazrat Ali who did not kill a man even during war because he was mad at him and said he did not want that to become his motive.

Yeah only allah knows who is going to heaven and who is not, but he has given us some guidelines on how to follow our lives. Last time I checked murder was a sin.

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If the mans message was "no more bloodshed?"

Why did he shed blood? Maybe because he realized what he did was wrong? Probobly.

And if his message was "no more bloodshed?" Why is his message being used to create unrest?

It took the U.S. 10 years after he commited the crime of murder for his punishment to be enacted.

Means that careful consideration was taken, and he was allowed to appeal his death sentence, and if he couldn't afford a lawyer? One was provided him.

He was given legal rights, even though he committed murder.

If an American would commit the same crime in your neighborhood? What would happen to them?

AvgGirl

P.S. Good that no violence occurred after sentence was applied, (not that I am for death sentence, I think it would be much worse having to spend your life locked up and not free.)

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*Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *

If an American would commit the same crime in your neighborhood? What would happen to them?

AvgGirl

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That American would be free faster than you can think of a response to my message. Miss, I am assuming that you are American, so am I, born and raised, but I know the truth about the US and Pakistan. If an American is caught committing a crime (even low level) the first point of contact becomes the American embassy from there on up (depending on the extent of punishment) it can go up to the President...err let me make a qualification to what I said, provided that "American" is Cacausian. For a minority, it would depend on the uproar that could be caused in the US...for a person like me, my so-called US government could care less. Know how I know all of this? Because it has happened to a few of my good friends and it was at the point that I was assisting them, that I realized the hypocrisy of the US government. So please don't tell me, Americans aren't treated better.

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*Originally posted by CM: *
Exactly what i thought. I remember reading this in the Herald, about how that was the final act of BB's govt and how the integoration across international airspace was a violation of some laws and how the whole thing was unlawful start to end.
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No, this act was negotiated by the newly elected Government of Nawaz...

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*Originally posted by ak47: *

*Americanchamchaa sab CIA are terrorists who inflict murder and terror all over the world there no say about its 100% defeinte they do it so dont beat around the bush. *

First of all, lets be civil if we are going to discuss something. agreed?
Now even if CIA is 100% murderers. everyone from a mailroom clerk to a computer support guy to the guy working in the cafeteria.. lets for arguments sake assume that they are all murderers.

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Fraudz, no need to argue with HT members, they resort to such attacks when they loose arguments...

There was also a point raised on Aimal Kansi and Farooq Leghari not offerring Fateha for him in the PM selection session of the parliament. Does the person deserve so much attention?

I for once agree with queer. Alot of Pakistanis are basically murdered in Saudi Arabia without proper or no trials, we dont shed so many tears for them. Aimal Kansi was a criminal, but some of those people in SA are innocent completely. They deserve the same attention.