A Freeze on Shariah Law?

Tariq Ramadan has kicked off a campaign for a moratorium on the application of Shariah Law. I have heard this argument used by members of the Jamaatis ..you can only apply Shariah law when you have the prerequiste Islamic Welfare State in operation..

http://www.tariqramadan.com/call.php3?id_article=264&lang=en

Première publication : 30 March 2005, mise en ligne: Tuesday 5 April 2005,
by Tariq RAMADAN Printable version

Muslim majority societies and Muslims around the world are constantly
confronted with the fundamental question of how to implement the penalties
prescribed in the Islamic penal code.
Evoking the notion of sharî’a, or more precisely hudûd[1], the terms of the
debate are defined by central questions emerging from thought provoking
discussions taking place between ulamâ’ (scholars) and/or Muslim masses: How
to be faithful to the message of Islam in the contemporary era? How can a
society truly define itself as “Islamic” beyond what is required in the
daily practices of individual private life? But a critical and fruitful
debate has not yet materialized.
Several currents of thought exist in the Islamic world today and
disagreements are numerous, deep and recurring. Among these, a small
minority demands the immediate and strict application of hudûd, assessing
this as an essential prerequisite to truly defining a “Muslim majority
society” as “Islamic”. Others, while accepting the fact that the hudûd are
indeed found in the textual references (the Qur’an and the Sunna[2]),
consider the application of hudûd to be conditional upon the state of the
society which must be just and, for some, has to be “ideal” before these
injunctions could be applied. Thus, the priority is the promotion of social
justice, fighting against poverty and illiteracy etc. Finally, there are
others, also a minority, who consider the texts relating to hudûd as
obsolete and argue that these references have no place in contemporary
Muslim societies.
One can see the opinions on this subject are so divergent and entrenched
that it becomes difficult to discern what the respective arguments are. At
the very moment we are writing these lines- while serious debate is
virtually non-existent, while positions remain vague and even nebulous, and
consensus among Muslims is lacking- women and men are being subjected to the
application of these penalties.
For Muslims, Islam is a message of equality and justice. It is our
faithfulness to the message of Islam that leads us to recognize that it
impossible to remain silent in the face of unjust applications of our
religious references. The debate must liberate itself and refuse to be
satisfied by general, timid and convoluted responses. These silences and
intellectual contortions are unworthy of the clarity and just message of
Islam.
In the name of the scriptural sources, the Islamic teachings, and the
contemporary Muslim conscience, statements must be made and decisions need
to be taken.

Re: A Freeze on Shariah Law?

Actually, that is true to the case that I know too.

Hadhrat Umer-e-Farooq :razi: put a moratorium on the penalty of hand-cutting of the thief when a drought hit Arabia in his rule and state was unable to provide food to its peoples.

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AQ ..I see this idea as a middle ground between secular ideas of abandoning Islam and orthodox ideas of being too literal..what do you thnk?

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Don't want to assasinate peoples characters but mr Ramadhan is as secular as they come in the battle between the kufr and haqq.

ramadhan is another name to be added to the list of modernists employed by the west who wanted to westernise islam they include Rifa’a At-Tahtawi, Jamal Ad-Din Al-Afghani, Muhammad Abduh, Taha Hussein, Rashid Rida, Syed Ahmad Khan they all failed in convincing muslims that western culture is better than islam and ramdhan will also fail.

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Jamal Ad-Din Afghani? Muhammed Abduh? Taha Hussein? Rashid Rida? Sir Syed Ahmed? Rifa’a At-Tantawi? They were all Western secularists? Gimme a break dude…either u hv no idea of what u r yapping abt or u’r trying to yank our chain here. Some of these guys hv been at the forefront of Muslim rebellion against western domination and occupation, while others made their invaluable contribution one way ot the other. Instead of appreciating our rich scholastic history, we hv ppl trying to ridicule the best muslim minds of modern history.

Come up with reasonable arguments to refute Tariq Ramadhan, grandson (mother’s side) of Syed Qutb…

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Being a relative of syed qutb im not too sure about this claim but never the less being a relative is not a qualification in itself. King now very dead hussien claimed to be great great great realtive of prophet muhammad(saw) but Hussien was biggest traitor the muslims ever seen in their lives so this argument has no validty.

Ever wonder why and by whom syed ahmed is given the title Sir hmmmmm clue is in the name think about it!

As for refuting ramadhan you seriously want to defend his ideas of islam ok this will be fun bring his ideas and secular solutions and lets start the challenge! This guy is calling for secualr solutions this is enough to refute him in one sentance.

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He is the grandson of Hassan al-Bani, who formed the Muslim Brotherhood.

ak47 - do you truly read anything by Br. Ramadhan? He offers real daleel when he makes an argument, and doesn't just make blanket statements like many of the favorite "scholars" of the subcontinent.

Jamal Ad-Din Afghani is hardly a western secularist!

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Ramadan answers some questions on his proposed moratorium

http://www.tariqramadan.com/article.php3?id_article=0277&lang=en

http://www.islamonline.net/livedialogue/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=sr05TT

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I read a lot on these modernists and this is what issue is all about what is a modernist these people are and have been really calling for a secualrisation of islam.

If you ask some muslim what does the word modernist mean they will say this kind of people calling for islam to be democracy or islam needs to be westernised.

Islam is not windows XP it does’nt need an upgrade everything is their it deals with everything from a business contract to issue of cloning.

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^ Ramadan isn’t necessarily asking for an “upgrade”… certainly not from what i gather from an initial reading of his argument (although i admit to not having read all of it)…

here are some selected excerpts from Ramadan’s aforementioned dialogue

“We need more Islam, a better understood Islam, a better implemented Islam”

“This has nothing to do with western pressure and how could some compare what I am doing with what some Muslims are promoting in the name of “being progressive” and “modern”.”

“I am not saying the Hudud law is not “Islamic”, I am saying the current application in the social and political contexts we live in are a plain betrayal of our message”

“I am not denying the texts dealing with the Hudud: this is not the point. Neither am I saying that the Shari’ah should not be applied.”

“My point is specific and clear: if we look at the reality as it exists, some of the Hudud (from corporal punishments to death penalties) are implemented today in the Islamic world in total betrayal with the Islamic message of justice.”

“The meaning of a moratorium is exactly that: we recognize the authenticity of the texts, we know that there are conditions or shurut, we take into account our disagreement and we open a debate about what it exactly means to be faithful to the Shari’ah today.”

“The moratorium is not against the Islamic teachings and the Shari’ah but in their name.”

other articles talk of Ramadan wanting to “invent an independent European Islam”

http://www.time.com/time/innovators/spirituality/profile_ramadan.html

his visa to enter and work in the USA was revoked last year

http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/media/paper660/news/2005/05/13/News/Year-In.Review-951114.shtml