A doctor wasting the govt seat ..

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Quite a wasted logic there PCG , sorry to have said this. But you really have no clue what happens in the medical field in Pakistan, do you?

Firstly, education is the basic right of every individual, be it public school or private , depends on the opportunities that one gets. Since when did gender start playing a role in choosing this education opportunity?

Secondly, majority of the time, a girl doesnt know when she will get married or when an appropriate rishta will come her way or what her future life will hold for her. So you cant tell someone "just because you are going to get married , you have no right to a med seat "

Thirdly, Stop blaming the doctors please. It is the state's responsibility to do better in terms of graduate retention. The poor doctor did take the oath for saving lives and they do so all their life with much more dedication that any other profession in the world. Mind you, they have one of the toughest studies and jobs . Disagree all you want, but its a fact.

Fourthly, a med student struggles so much in pakistan, the salary they get is a meager 25K , while someone coming out of engineering school , or even a banker starting their job are able to earn upto 50K in the first two years of their career .. my cousin is a doctor , bichari wanted to marry a doctor and guess what , her family realized that doctor larka's dont have enough salary , to even run their household ! this is what the doctors are being reduced to in that country, which doesnt even provide good training opportunities.

Instead of pointing and blaming the doctors for all the troubles of Pakistan, try to look into the infrastructure that provides nothing but crap. Eventually the doctors are forced to look into private surgery options hence leading to the downfall of the service.

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Chicken Biryani is always right....lets move on..

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Pwner, you sound very hurt !

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No just a bit disappointed. Especially with nadz like behaviour in career forum

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Its a bigger disappointment to see you talking of another member in such a manner. :hinna:

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Initial years... yes true. Eventually, once they have specialized and have established themselves, doctors make several times the salary of engineers or bankers with 20 years of experience.

Just for a comparison, have someone check how much private medical schools in Pakistan are charging their students. Last I knew it was more than million rupees per year (plus 'donations'... and that is 6 years ago). I am sure doctors get enough returns to justify that kind of spending if they cannot get into state funded school.

Secondly, if doctors are being treated so badly, then seats in the state run medical colleges wouldn't be so fiercely competed for, would they? They do attract best of the best students from all over the country. Market forces would have by now shifted peoples' focus elsewhere.

It is the same infrastructure that is providing hundreds of very capable doctors [and other professionals] to the west every year.

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Kaka, unfortunately you cant give wrong credit to the doctors who survived and managed to make their life in the western world. No doubt that the basic education played a role. But the rugged training exams of the west that makes them study and work in that tough environment , is what made them capable. Several doctors in my own family moved to England and i can tell you for sure that it wasnt an easy ride , because the systems , the culture, the way things are done are all different to what they were being taught all along in Pakistan.

One thing that can be credited to the Pakistani system , wholeheartedly , is that they teach their students to work very hard. Because thats exactly what many of them do and go through a grinding journey to become successfully placed in a reliable position elsewhere in the world.

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^ True. Also that because top students go to medical schools in Pakistan and India, the chances of their success elsewhere are also greater. Just saying that at least medical schools in Pakistan are still in demand from top students which, if you believe in supply and demand, says that profession is not in that bad a shape.

We need to compare like for like though. Most of my friends who graduated with me from 'sarkari' engineering schools in Pakistan initially had to do internships, often unpaid for at least an year to be able to apply for jobs. Almost all of Civil engineering graduates got unpaid or "almost unpaid" jobs for the first couple of years. Electrical engineers were better, with ~Rs. 5,000 jobs (~8 years ago). Chartered Accountants survive on much less than doctors' housejob allowance during 4 years of their training [during which they need to study and take exams too]. Law graduates are very lucky if they get unpaid apprenticeships with big firms.

You have been comparing doctors to MBAs or engineering graduates from private institutions which is not a fair comparison, IMO.

Anyways, about the topic, I think it is losing relevance now. Most of the female medicine graduates do work. The grudge has been that because females in Pakistan tend to score better than males in high school exams and because medicine has been thought of a 'proper' profession for females, more females entered medical schools than other professions and ended up as housewives. There is even an all girl medical school in Lahore which has been a target of criticism.

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/start nadz mode

Given all that, but you still do not acknowledge the level of hardwork and pain doctors' go through.Its a million times worse than all the other professions you mention.

Moreover, it is still unfair to criticize the females who join the field, knowing fully well in advance that they do not intend to persue it later.

/end nadz mode

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I am guilty of this. I moved out of Pakistan at a very young age, then came back into medical college, studied free of cost and left after graduation.

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Yes I agree with you on having unfairly compared doctors with MBA's or engineers from private colleges.

Its just that , I have seen so many doctors both girls and boys in my own family , who have studied darn hard, fighting merits and honestly its a proper roller coaster of a ride , even the books and exams they study and take , made my head spin ! I cant say the same for the lawyers or MBA's .. no doubt every career is hard , but I feel a medical career needs a different kind of passion and dedication ..

But hey, I still feel , its the state that should take responsibility of retaining doctors or creating an infrastructure where doctors can be sent to work in rural areas. We all know that education is extremely limited in Pakistan. In terms of the subjects and new fields being introduced to students , the focus is almost always on doctors, engineers , HR , MBA , Commerce, accountancy and thats pretty much it !

That is the reason why all of these professions are brimming with competition. I feel it will be extremely unfair to any individual to tell them to not attain certain education if they arent going to go ahead with a career in it.

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I feel it unfair that I cannot criticize someone who uses my tax money to attain the best education the Pakistani state has to offer and then would not utilize it (unless circumstances do not allow).

My sis is a pakistani doc married to a pakistani doc and no one bothered if the guy's salary at the time of wedding was not enough to rent a decent place. They are doing much better now and hopefully in a few years would be financially much more stable than their non-medicine peers. Yes, it takes hard work and dedication, but eventually it all pays off.

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I agree its fair enough that the taxpayers question the money being utilized. Infact I feel this is how the right attitude should be. Problem is people aren't squeezing the government who is actually responsible. But if it was such a menace losing fresh graduates , wouldnt the scheme had long finished ? why is the government continuing to provide the qualification if they are not already seeing and reaping the benefits?

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^ It is not a scheme specific to medical colleges/universities. Almost all government run colleges and universities are heavily subsidized. Doctors who leave the profession get some heat because admission into medical colleges is extremely competitive and someone else more passionate about the profession might have benefited from the 'wasted seat'.

Anyways, only a small percentage of doctors leave the profession or not work afterwards. Those who go abroad keep a steady stream of foreign exchange coming into the country. Not at all a loss to the country from these subsidies.

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@ChickenBiryani, I agree with this part somewhat
" girl doesnt know when she will get married or when an appropriate rishta will come her way or what her future life will hold for her. So you cant tell someone just because you are going to get married , you have no right to a med seat"

However we also know that many girls in med school already have rishtas and are engaged or nikkahfied. They also know if they will or will not practice after they finish and are married. So don't you think these girls shouldn't take the med school seat?

I have a close family relative in Pakistan who finished her degree and did a house job and then didn't practice after. How unfair is that? If she wasn't a family member through marriage I would have told her upfront. They don't have to work full time, these girls could work part-time or do some volunteering at times that way they are paying back to society.