A disappointing Dr Zakir Naik

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: A disappointing Dr Zakir Naik

@aqeel123

wow, thats fun… u wanned me to get u something from nahjul blagha… Its too strong for sunni’s and undigestable for wahabi’s who praise mavia but since u have offered its my honor to provide u a khutba … i know u wont be able to digest it but just for the sake of it am posting it so u wud who Imam Ali a.s is according to nahjul blagha

Please just give me the reference of the Khutbah from Najhul Balagha – I don’t have the time hearing someone talking and spicing it up. Don’t worry about my digestion, in case you are concerned it is ok (alhamdulilah). (Though I envy the time you have on your hands to fill up space over here.)

I have Nahjul Balagha at home and I am quite sure that it has to be the one Known as the **Sermon of ash-Shiqshiqiyyah **http://www.al-islam.org/nahjul/3.htm

In this sermon Hz. Ali (ra) is stating that he was the rightful person deserving the Khilafate and guess what?

He forgot to mention and remind the people of his ‘Divine appointment at Khum Ghadeer’. This ‘event’ is much used by the Shia confirming ‘Divine appointment’ of Hz. Ali (ra)

Now compare the above with sermon quoted below and see the contradiction between the two. And Hz. Ali (ra) is beyond contradicting himself!!!

I have noted that you have ignored to respond to my comments. Let me see you answering them

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-** Nahjul Balagha Sermon 91** - [When people decided to swear allegiance at Amir al-mu’minin’s hand after the murder of `Uthman]

“Leave me and seek some one else. We are facing a matter which has (several) faces and colours, which neither hearts can stand nor intelligence can accept. Clouds are hovering over the sky, and faces are not discernible. You should know that if I respond to you I would lead you as I know and would not care about whatever one may say or abuse. If you leave me then I am the same as you are. It is possible I would listen to and obey whomever you make in charge of your affairs. I am better for you as a counsellor than as chief (ulil Amr).”

The above statement is very important:

1. Note that Hz. Ali (ra) never deemed it fit to claim that he was the chosen/appointed Khalifah (successor) the Prophet (saw). Keep it in mind that it was his religious obligation to do so if indeed he was the appointed Khalifah.

2. Hz. Ali (ra) did not see fit to remind the people that the Prophet (saw) had chosen him as the Emir/Leader over the Muslims at Khum Ghadeer as it would have been the best to ‘promote’ his claim as the leader of the Muslims.

3. He said that: “It is possible I would listen to and obey whomever you make in charge of your affairs” He showed no objection to any other to be elected as an Emir/Leader (Ulil amr) for the Muslims.

4. Importantly he also stated: “. I am better for you as a counsellor than as chief” *

@aqeel123

Abt Haroon a.s dieing bfr mosa i dont wana argue … lack of knowldge again i never heared that Haroon a.s died bfr Mosa a.s

Go first update your knowledge and if you haven’t heard it doesn’t mean it did not happen. And Hz. Haroon (as) dying before Hz. Musa (as) debunks your theory of Hz. Ali (ra) being the successor of Prophet (saw).

Muslims don’t follow Islam from events from History books but the Quran and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw) and nothing else.

These ‘historical facts’ have no bearing whatsoever on being a good (faithful) Muslim.

In the Hereafter Allah (swt) is going question each individual about his/her beliefs and deeds and nothing from the history books*