didn’t get what does the writer want to convey in totality? Any thoughts?
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pata nai , the website contains article is blocked here in my office. i unknowingly opened a thread in philosophy fourm on topic of hate
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The great Pakistani leader of the masses and educationist, Hafiz Saeed, recently complained from the Madrasa Qadisiya on old Lake Road in Lahore that "Pakistani culture was being changed" in the name of education. He was probably angered by a local English-medium school's attempt to teach comparative religion to its senior classes. The "scandal" was, of course, unveiled by a TV anchor.
After the TV discussion, the state took action, confiscating all the textbooks informing high school children about Islam along with other great religions of the world, including Hinduism. The school backed off, fearing terrorist attacks, and the dust has settled over yet another effort to inform Pakistani culture with other global belief systems.
On August 4, a website called Pakistan News Pakistan Views had one Sajjad Shaukat voicing, once again, the fear of India's "cultural penetration" of Pakistan. He went through the tiresome catalogue of smears that this paranoia justifies: India is moulding "the behaviour pattern of a country's people on the basis of a handful of elements in Pakistan". The target was Indian films and plays used for this "penetration". The default status quo assumed by this plaint is the condition of war.
Of course, "psychological warfare" was mentioned. It is on this ground that the state already disallows Indian news channels and at times pulls channels like BBC, CNN and National Geographic off the air. The question is: why is the Pakistani citizen attracted to Indian entertainment? The next question is, why do people want entertainment? Why can't they always be busy doing serious ideological things? Why do people living under an ideology want more entertainment than the ideological state can afford to give them? Why do such culture-related elements as Pakistani singers, actors, cricketers and cricket commentators survive by going to India?
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The question is: why is the Pakistani citizen attracted to Indian entertainment? The next question is, why do people want entertainment? Why can't they always be busy doing serious ideological things? Why do people living under an ideology want more entertainment than the ideological state can afford to give them? Why do such culture-related elements as Pakistani singers, actors, cricketers and cricket commentators survive by going to.
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Interesting questions.
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Interesting questions.
and what is the answer?
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and what is the answer?
Random answers to the questions. Not thoughful, reflective answers.
why is the Pakistani citizen attracted to Indian entertainment?
Maybe because its not as bad as the rest of the Pakistanis try to portray. And its got similarities with Pakistan, such as language is easily comprehendable.
The next question is, why do people want entertainment?
Because entertainment has become an equivalent to the term enjoyment. And wanting to enjoy(by any means) is natural. Even religions around the world promise enjoyment for the doers of good.
Why can't they always be busy doing serious ideological things?
Those who enjoy ideological things do keep themselves busy with it, but they are a minority. Maybe the media portrayed movies,games, sports as entertainment more than they were.
Why do people living under an ideology want more entertainment than the ideological state can afford to give them?
Because humans are by nature greedy. We want more freedom than we have been given , we want more money than we have , a higher status than we have (be it in deen or dunya) , we want more enjoyment than we have and so on.
Why do such culture-related elements as Pakistani singers, actors, cricketers and cricket commentators survive by going to India?
Maybe India gives them a better platform for success. Just like people go abroad for higher studies; a better platform for success. Just 'cuz its India in this case, a country Pakistanis are taught to despise for political reasons, it comes to the limelight else its no different than going abroad for higher studies or settling abroad for a better lifestyle.
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Pakistani people are attracted to Indian entertainment as they have access to it. A little search will reveal that many concepts of dramas, tunes of Pakistani songs were adapted by Indian media. what does this say? though Pakistani dramas/songs/ movies are not that easily available in India, but they got attraction for Indian too. Its a two-way traffic.
And writer is living some state of denial. He says that people of Pakistan got entertainment in major cases from mazaraat (qawaali, mehfil e samaa). why can't he appreciate that Pakistan got 50-60 channels and each channel is producing so many dramas, music and other shows a day. Cable TV doesn't mean Indian stuff for all the Pakistani. Pakistani entertainment is available in abundance.
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Pakistani people are attracted to Indian entertainment as they have access to it. A little search will reveal that many concepts of dramas, tunes of Pakistani songs were adapted by Indian media. what does this say? though Pakistani dramas/songs/ movies are not that easily available in India, but they got attraction for Indian too. Its a two-way traffic.
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Its definitely a two way traffic, I had answered the question and the question had not asked about India , but about pakistan.
If it wasn't a two way traffic why would India entertain pakistani singers, cricketers etc ?
The title 'culture of haters' is quite suitable. Look how you (who is considered broad minded) instantly came to defend Pakistan by saying India does the same too though it was Pakistanis actions which were in question here, not the Indians
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And writer is living some state of denial. He says that people of Pakistan got entertainment in major cases from mazaraat (qawaali, mehfil e samaa). why can't he appreciate that Pakistan got 50-60 channels and each channel is producing so many dramas, music and other shows a day. Cable TV doesn't mean Indian stuff for all the Pakistani. Pakistani entertainment is available in abundance.
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I didn't get this part, so can't comment on it.
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Its definitely a two way traffic, I had answered the question and the question had not asked about India , but about pakistan. If it wasn't a two way traffic why would India entertain pakistani singers, cricketers etc ? The title 'culture of haters' is quite suitable. Look how you (who is considered broad minded) instantly came to defend Pakistan by saying India does the same too though it was Pakistanis actions which were in question here, not the Indians
I didn't get this part, so can't comment on it.
valuing your own product, defending your own industry is not hate IMO.
The writer conveniently missed that point. He refers to likes of Hafiz Saeed, who don't value entertainment, but don't discuss that Pakistan got a different concept of entertainment as well. The kind of plays Pakistani theater produced, the sufi music and folklore Pakistan got is something different than Indian standard of entertainment. People watched and were attracted towards Indian channels for a time but now they are losing viewership gradually.
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valuing your own product, defending your own industry is not hate IMO.
Simply defending isn't hate, but then you didn't simply defend. You defended by saying India does the same even though Indias actions weren't in question here.
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The writer conveniently missed that point. He refers to likes of Hafiz Saeed, who don't value entertainment, but don't discuss that Pakistan got a different concept of entertainment as well. The kind of plays Pakistani theater produced, the sufi music and folklore Pakistan got is something different than Indian standard of entertainment. People watched and were attracted towards Indian channels for a time but now they are losing viewership gradually.
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Since I don't have much knowledge about this, nor about exactly what the writer wrote in the article ('cuz I only read the parts you posted and answered those questions) I'm not in the position to comment on this.
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I just noticed that the link says 'IndianExpress', so it must be written by an Indian. I thought the article was written by a Pakistani.
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*The writer is a consulting editor with 'Newsweek Pakistan.
*Khaled Ahmed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Very much Pakistani, but was portraying selected picture. If he was Indian, that had made sense, but yahan to ‘shah se ziada shah ke wafaddar’ wali baat hai
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Simply defending isn't hate, but then you didn't simply defend. You defended by saying India does the same even though Indias actions weren't in question here.
Since I don't have much knowledge about this, nor about exactly what the writer wrote in the article ('cuz I only read the parts you posted and answered those questions) I'm not in the position to comment on this.
The article emphasise lack of entertainment in Pakistan and goes on to say that Indian material is per-dominant entertainment for Pakistanis which is not correct in totality. Indian entertainment got viewership in Pakistan, but that doesn't mean Pakistan doesn't have separate culture and entertainment which may not be better from India but definitely drastically different from India.
I brought issue of Indian media copying Pakistani stuff here as the writer is portraying that only Pakistani viewers want Indian stuff and government restrict access to Indian stuff (news channels, etc). In fact situation is otherwise.. Indian government has been putting restriction on Pakistani stuff and whenever Indians got chance to watch, listen Pakistani stuff they got inspired from that. Our dramas were shown in their academies for acting. But writer went on saying Pakistani authorities as hater and forgive Indian authorities for same offense.
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So he's a Pakistani.
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The article emphasise lack of entertainment in Pakistan and goes on to say that Indian material is per-dominant entertainment for Pakistanis which is not correct in totality. Indian entertainment got viewership in Pakistan, but that doesn't mean Pakistan doesn't have separate culture and entertainment which may not be better from India but definitely drastically different from India.
I brought issue of Indian media copying Pakistani stuff here as the writer is portraying that only Pakistani viewers want Indian stuff and government restrict access to Indian stuff (news channels, etc). In fact situation is otherwise.. Indian government has been putting restriction on Pakistani stuff and whenever Indians got chance to watch, listen Pakistani stuff they got inspired from that. Our dramas were shown in their academies for acting. But writer went on saying Pakistani authorities as hater and forgive Indian authorities for same offense.
If that's what he wrote,then I agree with you on this.
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If that's what he wrote,then I agree with you on this.
The writer mixed too many things in one article thats why I started thread with confusion I had. He starts with plurality of culture, goes through comparative religion studies and banning of some backs then jumps on media handling by Pakistani authorities and portrays that Pakistani entertainment industry has become barren and Pakistani viewers are heavily dependent on Indian stuff. he condemns actions of Pakistani authorities for banning Indian news channels without evaluating the facts behind it and hiding whats done with Pakistani stuff in India.
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What has the cultures of different region of this sub continent has given anyway, one converting into another doesn't change our collective civic sense even
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I couldn’t agree more with the last line in particular of the writer. He writes, and I concur completely: “Modern economy says states need peace to achieve growth targets, and peace can't be sustained without culture, which is another name for tolerance and coexistence.”
That’s very true indeed. Any country can’t expect to attract a great deal of foreign investment, tourism revenue, or even trade in the absence of peace and tolerance in that country. Jingoism, xenophobia, or religious fanaticism not only tear apart the society but are also toxic to economic growth and therefore are toxic to the quality of life of people. And while the majority of people of course may be peace-loving advocates of tolerance and coexistence, a few haters, religious fanatics and psychos can completely, sometimes irrevocably, tarnish the image or the brand of the country. And consequently deter foreign investors and visitors from visiting that country for good because it’s not like there are no competitors with less intolerance emanating from those countries. So why not just visit, say, a more welcoming and friendlier Bangladesh instead of going to, say, Pakistan?